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« Reply #150 on: August 09, 2012, 03:36:47 PM »
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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #154 on: August 09, 2012, 06:08:10 PM »
Thank you Two Tired. Sorry that I am late to this thread. Here is my anecdotal evidence that loud motorcycles are a social pariah.
 The street that passes through my neighborhood has become a shortcut for some wannabe Hells Angels on their straight pipe choppers and bobbers. The grade school children that line up and wait for the bus to school have become so afraid of loud bikes that they cover their ears and run as soon as they see a single headlight coming down the road. I usually commute to work in the morning on my near whisper quiet vintage BMW.  I see the kids runs as soon as they realize a motorcycle is coming and their ears will soon be assaulted. I hope they will see that all bikes are not loud. and don"t need to be loud. I have a good set of horns for when I need to be heard. I have a lot more to say, but I will stop here.

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« Reply #155 on: August 09, 2012, 07:24:38 PM »
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By posting. Once I've posted I get notifications, with no way to turn it off.  I think i see now what you're talking about. But that only works if one hasn't posted anything. Once we post, we get notified forever. Unless as one has said we remove all of our posts from the thread.
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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #156 on: August 09, 2012, 07:28:15 PM »
Thank you Two Tired. Sorry that I am late to this thread. Here is my anecdotal evidence that loud motorcycles are a social pariah.
 The street that passes through my neighborhood has become a shortcut for some wannabe Hells Angels on their straight pipe choppers and bobbers. The grade school children that line up and wait for the bus to school have become so afraid of loud bikes that they cover their ears and run as soon as they see a single headlight coming down the road. I usually commute to work in the morning on my near whisper quiet vintage BMW.  I see the kids runs as soon as they realize a motorcycle is coming and their ears will soon be assaulted. I hope they will see that all bikes are not loud. and don"t need to be loud. I have a good set of horns for when I need to be heard. I have a lot more to say, but I will stop here.

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That's exactly the situation I proposed, which was deemed rubbish, which in fact can cause permanent and irreversible ear damage, with only a few or one exposure. Children and elderly are especially susceptible.

It is no different than if those riders had gotten off their bikes and struck the child on the side of the head with a flat board.

For shame.
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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #157 on: August 09, 2012, 09:59:28 PM »
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I'm kind of confused about these notifications? If you mean e-mail notifications, I only get them for PMs. Is it a setting in the user profile that enables e-mail notifications for any updates to threads the user has posted in? If it is, I'm glad I don't have it turned on!!
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« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2012, 05:52:23 AM »
I think I may be confusing notifications with "show me new posts".
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I think I may be confusing notifications with "show me new posts".

I tried to remove notifications from several threads now and I keep getting them.
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Well, I 'm confused as well. It seems if you are receiving e-mail notifications you checked notify me. The emails you receive should have two links in them. One takes you to the post you are being notified about,  and a second link will allow you to unsubscribe.
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« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2012, 06:56:16 AM »
Well, I 'm confused as well. It seems if you are receiving e-mail notifications you checked notify me. The emails you receive should have two links in them. One takes you to the post you are being notified about,  and a second link will allow you to unsubscribe.
My bad. I'm not getting email notifications. Just the "show new replies to my posts". I would like to be able to toggle that off. may not be possible.
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« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2012, 07:04:30 AM »
Ah, that makes more sense. You get the thread listed under that heading because you posted one or more replies. The only way out is to go through the thread and delete your posts to that thread.
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« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2012, 07:13:13 AM »
Ah, that makes more sense. You get the thread listed under that heading because you posted one or more replies. The only way out is to go through the thread and delete your posts to that thread.
Got it, thx!
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« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2012, 08:24:17 AM »
talk about irony... this thread was dead and asking how to remove youself from it brought it back to life... classic

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« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2012, 08:25:22 AM »
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« Reply #166 on: August 10, 2012, 11:47:46 AM »
My (and MRieck's) Thread resurrected!  Sweet!  Now I can finally post this.

For those who believe exposure times are too short to create any significant damage, here is some info damaging your position.  I may have posted some of this earlier:

Safety and Health Concerns

Noise pollution is unwanted human-created sound that has the effect of being annoying, distracting, painful, or physically harmful. People exposed to noise pollution suffer from hearing loss, sleep deprivation, chronic fatigue, anxiety, hostility, depression and hypertension. World Health Organization, National Institutes of Health, United Nations and numerous scientific and medical publications recognize noise pollution and its deleterious effects.

The intense sound caused by loud motorcycles easily triggers an involuntary stress response commonly known as "fight or flight." This results in the secretion of adrenaline, with ensuing spikes in cardio-respiratory rates, muscle tension, and elevated blood pressure.

You can download a PDF here from where this was garnered:  http://www.who.int/quantifying_ehimpacts/publications/e94888/en/

Personally I rate the above reports and organization with far higher credibility than the nay-sayers currently "contributing" to these forums.  But, I don't expect the "loud pipes are wonderful" faction will be bothered to read the report, as it does not support your foregone and unsupportable conclusion.

To try and find some balance in support of the nay-sayers.  I also tried to find a credible report that said noise DIDN'T cause harm.
I list them here:
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Think a moment about this:
You have a paper bag.  You quietly fill the bag with air and creep up behind your friend and POP the bag behind their head.  Your friend is startled and you laugh at him.  Great fun, he has no long term medical problems and this prank provides no lasting effects.  The sound event didn't last that long to cause any apparent (or immediate) hearing damage.

The fun is usually not so great, when your friend does this to you in retaliation, once or twice a week for the next two years.  Still you are healthy, in the prime of your life, and "can take it".

Do you think this prank would be nearly as humorous in a cardiac ward, or a surgeons operating room?  Of course, you would never drive your motorcycle with loud pipes past a hospital, right?  (Even though it is a public access road and far more convenient for you to use it rather than impose  a self volunteered detour of the area.)

Now consider a residential area.  Are you aware of (or concerned about), those recuperating at home from a heart condition?  PTSD?  What about an aneurism on the verge of bursting with an elevated blood pressure event? (Reread the excerpt in blue, above.)
Do these people resting quietly at home need your exhaust noise thunder aggravating their condition or causing a relapse, or ending their life with a brain hemorrhage, or heart attack?  They may have survived had it not been for your inconsiderate behavior.  But, as long as you are happy, who cares about the well being of others?
Well, I do.   But, whether I do or not, their are many organizations springing up that intend to not only punish the inconsiderate, but the "bystanders" who operate quiet motorcycles, too.  And, it is YOUR loud noise making fault. Own it.

Do you believe that strongly in survival of only the fittest?  Or, that your gang of noise makers can claim turf wherever your want?  With you and your ilk being the fittest baddest-asses out there thumbing your nose at all of society?  Don't be surprised when society fights back and there are a lot more of them, than you.  If I can help them, I will.  I didn't make the flyer below.  But, it is widely available.

A side note:
I had to chuckle at the irony, when the WHO listed "cognitive defects" as an effect of loud noise exposure.  Perhaps that is part of why promoters of loud pipes are so vehement? :)


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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2012, 03:48:56 PM »


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« Reply #168 on: August 10, 2012, 08:45:16 PM »



The intense sound caused by loud motorcycles easily triggers an involuntary stress response commonly known as "fight or flight." This results in the secretion of adrenaline, with ensuing spikes in cardio-respiratory rates, muscle tension, and elevated blood pressure.

You can download a PDF here from where this was quoted:  http://www.who.int/quantifying_ehimpacts/publications/e94888/en/


So you didn't tell the truth about WHO as the source of the quote? I suggest you read the WHO document again, as it states several times that the data is based on educated guesses, a lack of common test modality between the data sources (such as disregarding the noise from railroad traffic in some studies), the actual noise levels at night in the bedroom vs the living room in the daytime, etc.
The bottom line is annoyance noise is just that: annoying, whether it's a cat-fight or a Chevy truck with blown-out glass-packs if it's just outside my bedroom window at 3:00 AM. My hearing may not be damaged, but my blood pressure will certainly go up!
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« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2012, 10:03:26 PM »
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Noise pollution is unwanted human-created sound that has the effect of being annoying, distracting, painful, or physically harmful. People exposed to noise pollution suffer from hearing loss, sleep deprivation, chronic fatigue, anxiety, hostility, depression and hypertension. World Health Organization, National Institutes of Health, United Nations and numerous scientific and medical publications recognize noise pollution and its deleterious effects.

Well thats vague enough to qualify as fact..?  Airport noise, industrial noise and continuous noise, not a loud bike going by, It says no where in that text what noise or the amount they are referring to,  if you are trying to say that they are the symptoms of a noisy bike going by them you've totally lost the plot...

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Personally I rate the above reports and organization with far higher credibility than the nay-sayers currently "contributing" to these forums.  But, I don't expect the "loud pipes are wonderful" faction will be bothered to read the report, as it does not support your foregone and unsupportable conclusion.

You would, thats how you roll.... In or out of context, it doesn't matter...

I think un baffled Harley's are a pain in the ass and annoying, but these over blown offerings are ridiculous....  Actually, i have had neighbors that like to whine about just about anything, some people are just like that, and more common than not, are the ones to "claim" it is effecting them, when in reality they just like to complain about everything and stress themselves out. Loud pipes are annoying, you would have to have a steady stream of bikes  for most of the day every day for a lot longer than you think { and relatively close} to suffer from most things you've suggested here....
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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #170 on: August 11, 2012, 01:56:13 AM »
Can't let the truth/reality get in the way of a good argument ;D.  I learnt that one from the ex-wife.  But seriously being realistic about it, a loud exhaust is annoying, I agree with you on that, but having one riding past your house every now and then isn't going to harm you.
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« Reply #171 on: August 11, 2012, 08:12:54 AM »
I've only read the WHO report to page 40 so far; can you direct me to the page your quote in blue is from?

The quote in blue was taken from:
http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php
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Re: Motorcycle exhaust noise considerations.
« Reply #172 on: August 11, 2012, 08:27:18 AM »
Can't let the truth/reality get in the way of a good argument ;D.  I learnt that one from the ex-wife.  But seriously being realistic about it, a loud exhaust is annoying, I agree with you on that, but having one riding past your house every now and then isn't going to harm you.

Noise annoys. It may not harm you short term,but young children in my example are smart enough to cover their ears and run. How many of them do you think will be interested in riding motorcycles when they are older? How many of their moms who have witnessed this will support them when they say "I want a motorcycle, dirt bike or quad?"
 The noise issue affects the motorcycle community on many levels.
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« Reply #173 on: August 11, 2012, 08:36:54 AM »
But seriously being realistic about it, a loud exhaust is annoying, I agree with you on that, but having one riding past your house every now and then isn't going to harm you.
But, that is exactly what the WHO report identifies and quantifies scientifically as a diminished health effect. 
Did you even read the opening abstract?  Do your own opinions outweigh scientific investigations and conclusions?  Is your evaluation based on the assumption that everyone is healthy and in their most robust prime of their life?

The referenced report establishes and quantifies that increased noise levels cause loss of life.  And, that as the level increases so do the detrimental effects.  It is not a stretch to realize that if your pleasure craft emits noise levels above that of ordinary traffic, it contributes to an elevated and real detriment to persons nearby.

The following is taken from the WHO report abstract, for your convenience.
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The chapters contain the summary of synthesized reviews of evidence on the relationship
between environmental noise and specific health effects, including cardiovascular
disease, cognitive impairment, sleep disturbance and tinnitus. A chapter on annoy-
ance is also included. For each outcome, the environmental burden of disease
methodology, based on exposure–response relationship, exposure distribution,
background prevalence of disease and disability weights of the outcome, is applied
to calculate the burden of disease in terms of disability-adjusted life-years (DALYs).
With conservative assumptions applied to the calculation methods, it is estimated
that DALYs lost from environmental noise are 61 000 years for ischaemic heart dis-
ease, 45 000 years for cognitive impairment of children, 903 000 years for sleep
disturbance, 22 000 years for tinnitus and 587 000 years for annoyance in the Eu-
ropean Union Member States and other western European countries. These results
indicate that at least one million healthy life years are lost every year from traffic-
related noise
in the western part of Europe. Sleep disturbance and annoyance, most-
ly related to road traffic noise, comprise the main burden of environmental noise.


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« Reply #174 on: August 11, 2012, 05:05:23 PM »
TT I know what loud noises can do to your hearing, I'm a diesel mechanic by trade, so loud noises and risk of hearing damage are a part of my life, I wear earplugs most of everyday.  I can't see the point for a machine of any kind being louder than required, be it a bike or whatever.  If a loud exhaust on a bike that goes past your house every now and then is the greatest risk to your health you are very lucky.  Me personally they are that low on the list they barely register.
 
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