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Offline DaveInTexas

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Which Oil update needed
« on: July 22, 2012, 11:06:33 AM »
It has been over 5 years since we discussed which engine oil is preferred.  (A search shows it discussed in 2006)
My bike is a 1970 CB750 and it is 85-90F here for the next few months.

I have been using Castrol 4T Motorcycle oil 20W50.
I see it is now 7-9$ per quart.  Now all I can find is the same oil but with the name "ActEvo".
I read on another forum that it is not synthetic and that seemed to bother the poster.

Which oil do you use/recommend in my situation?
If 20W50 Motorcycle Oil is your answer, is Castrol the only one or the better one?  Will other brands do the same thing for less $?
Where do you buy your oil?

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2012, 11:14:25 AM »
It has been over 5 years since we discussed which engine oil is preferred. 

No it hasn't...

Which oil do you use/recommend in my situation?

100% Pure Extra Virgin Olive Oil...

Where do you buy your oil?

At an olive farm that sells virginal olives...

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 11:24:34 AM »
I run Mobil 1 15/50 in my K1 and it loves it. Sit back and watch 300 people tell me I'm an idiot in the next 5 mins

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 11:31:06 AM »
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 01:20:00 PM »
I have ordered Castrol Actevo 4T 20W-40. 8L will probably be at my post office tomorrow. It's a mineral oil and seems to be OK according to my investigation.... ::)

I should use 20W-50 if living in a warmer country or planning a long 2500km  trip south to Italy or similar (2500km back too).
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It's much cheaper for me to order oil from Germany than buy it here in Sweden where the shops add a lot at the top of the price. I ordered 20L to my car a year ago from www.mapodo.de

If the oil fulfill JASO (wet clutch) and other quality standards PLUS for our old engines high zinc content which hopefully will give the cam and rocker arms a descent life.

I'll use even cheaper motorcycle oil the first 50 km's, then new oil (Castrol Actevo 4T 20W-40) + filter. I have my engine completely apart. It has got new pistons, clutch and cam.

Modern oil for cars is not compatible with the clutch when the oils have antifriction additives.
Oils of today has minimum of zinc (due to the catalytic converters) that our engines need if believing what reading on Internet.  Except for some Diesel engine oils. You in US have Shell Rotella that has plenty of zinc.

In the end of 70's beginning of 80's Quaker State Single grade oils were very popular here, then Vance and Hines red and berries smelling oil. After that Car oils like Castrol GTX2/3, Mobile1.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 01:27:38 PM »
I suggest the a 50/50 mix of Seafoam and PB Blaster. It will clean your carbs and keep any screws and bolts loose at the same time. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 03:25:50 PM »
As always my oil of choice is extra virgin olive oil ::)...Larry

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 03:34:35 PM »
I use a different type of oil every time I change, always 10w 40, except in summer when I run 15 w 40, unless I cannot find it, then I run 20w 50.

Unless I have some 10w 40 around the shop, then I just use it, even if it is not a "different" type of oil.

So, I guess my original statement was more of a general concept, not a personal commitment.





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I re-polish my oil filter housing every time I change the oil.


I add a little Sea-Foam to the oil about 100 miles before I change it, unless I forget, or the mood to wrench & polish hits me and I just change the oil.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2012, 04:15:48 PM »
Oil threads bring out the best in everyone, eh?

On a serious note, I was having some discussion with a friend back in March of this year about MC oil and did a little research on the subject and this is what I came up with:

There is a FAQ note on the Mobil 1 site where someone expresses concern about thrust bearing failures in a high performance engine using modern oils.  As it turns out, the EPA specified that engine oils needed to be reformulated to reduce phosphorus to no more than 800ppm since phosphorus adversely affects catalytic converters.  Looking at the Mobil 1 oil charts, their Mobil
1 Racing 4T oil is what they specify for all 10w40 spec motorcycles, the zinc/phosphorus level is 1300/1200.  That stuff is $10/qt.

Shell Rotella T has a zinc/phosphorus level of 1200/1100.  I was at a local hardware store that had diesel oil.  Rotella T 15w40 runs about $13/gallon.  The one warning I've read about diesel oil is that it has high detergent levels.

Some people prefer racing oils which are not made for on-road cars since that oil does not have all the detergents.  Valvoline VR1 can be bought from Amazon for $68/case ($5.60/qt).  That oil has 1300ppm of phosphorus and 1400ppm zinc.  The only issue there is that the oil doesn't have detergent additives, so oil change intervals should be more frequent.

Amsoil has several oils that have high ZDDP percentages, but they are also in the $10-$12/qt price range.

In addition to people with old motorcycles, the people who have old cars with flat tappets and cam lobes are really concerned about anti-wear additives.  There is a tech bulletin on the Amsoil site that addresses that issue specifically, just go to https://www.amsoil.com/search.aspx and search on 'flat tappet'

For an old bike that isn't an investment, you're probably just as well off running a decent 15w40 diesel oil and you can get Rotella at Walmart, Autozone and the like.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 04:22:16 PM »
OK Glenn, nobody needs more info than that. Maybe you should lock the thread?
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Re: Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 04:24:40 PM »
As always my oil of choice is extra virgin olive oil ::)...Larry
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 05:33:25 PM »
Thanks to those posting useful info.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2012, 05:43:12 PM »
dave i run wally world 20w50 in my bike. its cheap and has held up so far this summer. your clutch will tell you when to change the oil/shifting feel.
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2012, 05:46:00 PM »
sorry dave, my apologies. that would be castrol 20w50.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2012, 05:48:44 PM »
Yea its nothing personal its just one of those things....

But, I have been using Valvoline VR1 20W-50 and have been happy with it. I have tried the more expensive oils and got sick of paying over $10 a quart. I also have used the Shell Rotella in the blue jug. I thinks thats the best bang for the buck.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2012, 07:48:28 PM »
Y'all quoting 20W50,......does it have to say "motorcycle" on it?
Thank you.  Sorry I am humorless today.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2012, 09:26:46 PM »
It never ceases to amaze me that people on this forum are extremely willing to help with even the most minute details.Yet,when it comes to the proper type of oil to use in these machines ( which is an extremely important detail) they do not want to discuss it.

I am not an expert,but I know one gentleman that has been running Rotella T-6 for several years with fantastic results.

Another fella I know uses uses only Havoline oil in his bike.Just regular,off the shelf Havoline. His Matic has been ridden daily for several years and has given him zero oil related issues.

I run the T-6 in my bike. I have only put around 7K miles on mine since I got it running,but so far so good. My clutch DID die recently,in case you see that thread and get concerned,but it failed from me abusing it,not from running the Rotella  T-6 oil. Strictly my fault on the clutch failure.

Hope this helps,wish I could help more. Good luck squeezing blood from this turnip on this subject. ;)
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2012, 01:33:15 AM »
Y'all quoting 20W50,......does it have to say "motorcycle" on it?
Thank you.  Sorry I am humorless today.

No...

But it's more complicated than that

..........I run the T-6 in my bike. I have only put around 7K miles on mine since I got it running,but so far so good. My clutch DID die recently,in case you see that thread and get concerned,but it failed from me abusing it,not from running the Rotella  T-6 oil............. ;)

The  Rotella T6 (5w-40) is stated by Shell 'U.S' as JASO MA rated/specification......there are other Rotellas (10w-40) with a JASO MA spec. also.


JASO MA rating/approval and API ratings do not guarantee desirable levels of ZDDP........I have seen motorcycle oil specs where the API rating and quoted ZDDP did not make sense..... i.e. the oil carried an old API ('G' , 'J') classification but only contained ZDDP at a more 'modern oil' (lower) level.

IMHO...The most acceptable oils for consideration (for these bikes) should be...........non-friction modified, non energy conserving, <= API SL and CI-4 compliant (for ZDDP) , or equivalent, preferably JASO MA approved/rated. Higher than minimum CI-4 ZDDP levels is a plus.


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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2012, 03:40:40 AM »
Why are so many people so afraid getting "another oil thread"????
That's a common issue in many technical forums including car forums.

This is very important for our old bikes and the oils out there to purchase have changed and they continue to do so. This make a constant oil discussion very important to maintain.

Redline has an additive to put in the engine to get higher zinc content, Engine Oil Break-In Additive. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=1

Last time I bought oil for my bike (1990), I did not have to think about this at all. Today a completely different story.
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2012, 06:33:44 AM »
I hope I have enough baby seals to squeeze the oil from.

If that fails I will try Mobil Delvac 15w40. It has ZDDP of 1000ppm/liter and wallyworld sells it @ $12 per gallon.

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2012, 07:25:14 AM »
I think there is a good few members here that have valid reasons to throw sarcasm into "yet another oil thread". Nobody really knows how much research the OP did on this topic before asking the question, but a search on the site would have brought up a thousand references. While I do agree it is difficult to sort through it all, there are some gems in there that lead you to the "All About Oil" site or "Bob the Oil Guy" site.

You know what you read there? Well, in a nutshell, pretty much everything Glenn wrote. You'll also find out that it is a trial and error type of thing. It won't kill your bike to use the cheapest and see how you like it. It won't kill you to use the most expensive and see how you like it. Trust me, it's all a personal opinion based on cost and brand loyalty. Some have the attitude of $2 per quart works fine and others have the attitude that oil is the blood of our bikes and only $15 per quart will do.

If it's the brand of oil that we use that you're shooting for, be prepared for plenty of variation (Castrol, Shell, Mobil, Delo, Valvoline, Penzoil, Rock Oil, Redline, Amsoil, Belray, etc.). Personally I have bled Castrol 4T Motorcycle 20/50 and just picked up Rotella T 15/40 and Mobil Delvac 15/40 to test.

I think that in the larger oil discussion, we should address our own FAQ section. It is inevitable that all good threads are lost into the vast archive of this site, and when a search is preformed it does become very time consuming to sort through the countless posts; promoting a new thread to be born. While this one has the attention of Glenn, can we make a push for updating the FAQ?

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2012, 07:34:49 AM »

The reluctancy to another oil thread is simply because there is usually no consensus to them. Everybody has their own idea as to what the 'right' oil to use is, and there has been many of these discussions. Sometimes you can end up more confused about which oil to use than you were before the question was asked. There is nothing wrong with sticking your neck out by posting another oil thread - some of us like a good natured ribfest.  ;)  Sorry Dave, no offense meant, I was just being the first to get my 'poke' in.

Some of us (myself included) are just 'gifted' that way...



BTW, has anyone mentioned baby oil yet... ;D

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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2012, 07:48:47 AM »
Y'all quoting 20W50,......does it have to say "motorcycle" on it?
Thank you.  Sorry I am humorless today.

Hey Dave, give it time.  You will be grabbing some popcorn yourself.  :)

This question is asked quite often and the responses are similar.  I have seen this in other forums as well.
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Re: Which Oil update needed
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2012, 09:43:07 AM »
Perhaps we should put the top 4 oils from this thread, throw them into a poll, and see what shakes out as the best all around oil for the price.  Then everytime this subject comes up, we can simply forward the poll numbers.  Too easy.
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