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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2012, 01:44:51 PM »
Not to be a buzzkill but those valves are real heavy. I have had the stock size F2 valves made up with 5mm stems (with the stock tulip)....they are still heavy. One problem I found was valve to valve clearance with a real big cam with a lot of overlap. Another problem was getting enough spring with Kibblewhite 5mm guides. That was for an LSR engine but drag racing is the same. If anything I'd go to a 36mm intake (changing the seat) and shrink the exhaust valve (changing the seat again). The F2 port could handle the 36 intake. But where do you get new F2 carb manifolds???????? ;D ;D ;D

Horses for courses I suppose Mike. I wouldn't know one end of a drag racing motor from another. The head combination we use, is cost effective, works well for us and they usually give a service life of around 80 to 100 hours.

This will really get you tearing your hair out mate.We use the cast guides with these valves as well. ;D

Never had an issue with valve clearance we haven't been able to sort with the cams we have run.
As for valve train weight, your right it's not the lightest set up in the world, but I'm not a great believer in reving the tit's off these old motors anyway.

A quick overview of the setup used in our road race chair.

Inlet;  evo8 S/S valve +1mm @35mm keeper grove needs to be machined, stem shortend, I use 6.5mm x1mm  lash caps but you could stellite I suppose. Std seat.

exhaust;  evo8 S/S valve std @30mm after .5mm machined off dia. the rest same as inlet.

Megacycle 125-70/75 cam. We run an Ivan Tighe monster in our B motor but I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

I think the spring pressure with Mega cam is around 60lb closed, 100lb open but I need to check.

We haven't stripped any cam tower bolts with this setup and we don't use the braced valve cover.
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2012, 06:22:32 PM »
What brand springs are you using??

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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2012, 02:31:22 AM »
What brand springs are you using??

Don't remember Frank.
I'm up at my sister's for Crissy at the moment.
I will ring one of the boy's at home and get them to check.

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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2012, 04:00:10 AM »
On the head I run with mitsi valves I used the old yoshi S&W springs base and retainers, worked fine.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2012, 04:26:03 AM »


Bolt some of those new fangled flat slides to this. ;D
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2012, 04:30:56 AM »


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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2012, 04:35:34 AM »


 ;D  This what the 35 mitsi valves are in.   Port diam 32 mm

Ive just got home and its 11pm so its nighty night for tonight , I'l take some pics of the valve set  tomorrow night
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2012, 05:33:33 AM »
Real nice!   ;D what's being bolted on them manifolds? Flatslides?  Sweet
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2012, 07:02:28 AM »
Not to be a buzzkill but those valves are real heavy. I have had the stock size F2 valves made up with 5mm stems (with the stock tulip)....they are still heavy. One problem I found was valve to valve clearance with a real big cam with a lot of overlap. Another problem was getting enough spring with Kibblewhite 5mm guides. That was for an LSR engine but drag racing is the same. If anything I'd go to a 36mm intake (changing the seat) and shrink the exhaust valve (changing the seat again). The F2 port could handle the 36 intake. But where do you get new F2 carb manifolds???????? ;D ;D ;D

Horses for courses I suppose Mike. I wouldn't know one end of a drag racing motor from another. The head combination we use, is cost effective, works well for us and they usually give a service life of around 80 to 100 hours.

This will really get you tearing your hair out mate.We use the cast guides with these valves as well. ;D

Never had an issue with valve clearance we haven't been able to sort with the cams we have run.
As for valve train weight, your right it's not the lightest set up in the world, but I'm not a great believer in reving the tit's off these old motors anyway.

A quick overview of the setup used in our road race chair.

Inlet;  evo8 S/S valve +1mm @35mm keeper grove needs to be machined, stem shortend, I use 6.5mm x1mm  lash caps but you could stellite I suppose. Std seat.

exhaust;  evo8 S/S valve std @30mm after .5mm machined off dia. the rest same as inlet.

Megacycle 125-70/75 cam. We run an Ivan Tighe monster in our B motor but I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

I think the spring pressure with Mega cam is around 60lb closed, 100lb open but I need to check.

We haven't stripped any cam tower bolts with this setup and we don't use the braced valve cover.
I have no problem with iron guides as they last longer than any bronze guide. I think the old RC guides were  steel. The guy that does my valve jobs won't put bronze guides in a Harley head. On the other hand the bronze guides pulls heat out of the valve better which isn't a bad thing when you are racing.
 The valve to valve issue was with the Harmon "Super F" cam and the stock size F valves.  It ended up working but another problem I had nothing to do with kinda screwed the pooch. ::)
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2012, 05:24:50 PM »
"Screwed the pooch"? ??? ???Not shore what that means but it doesn't sound to good. ;D

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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2012, 06:02:04 PM »
Bear,you're RIGHT! Not good,ask the pooch!! ::) Meams it was F'd up by someone/something else! Bill
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2012, 03:35:52 AM »


Pic of the Mitsubishi valves, not EV8 valves but mitsy valves never the less, they love this size of valve and use it in both petrol and diesel  engines  You can see the valve collet groove is machined for the good K collets,
Had a couple of comprimises to use the prefered cam,
Length of valve is slightly shorter at 99.2mm long  ( compare to stock 34mm is 101mm and say manly 33.5mm is longer 102.5mm long).

Had to Machine the inlet head down to 34.6mm and exhaust 30.5mm to get it all together.

S&W springs were free length 40mm, installed height 29.5mm @ 110 lb and at 21.5mm @205lb
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Re: sohc f2 head
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2012, 05:02:21 PM »
A bit more spring pressure than us mate.

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