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Re: Let it all hang out,tell us how you really feel and what pisses you off.
« Reply #6225 on: August 23, 2014, 04:30:04 pm »
"Pissing me off" doesn't even BEGIN to describe my anger over what is happening to me this weekend, due to Obamacare. I have to sell my beloved 1967 Ford Galaxie LTD 2-door Fastback that I have had 34+ years, because Obamacare has caused our annual medical costs to go from $12k/year in 2010 (when it started) to now $32k as of August 1 this year, with 5 more months still to go this year alone: it is taking most of my income just to pay the medical bills, now. I need the money from this car just to make it to the end of this year, alone. And I'd better not get started, or I won't be able to quit typing....  >:(

Sorry Mark but i would blame that on your overall #$%*ed up health system, which has been that way for a very long time, rated as one of the worst systems in the world, someone has to fix it sooner or later, in saying that, how the hell can anyone pay 32K a year for health, there's got to be something very wrong there...?We have a completely delusional Government here at the moment trying as hard as they can to force an American system of health {and education} on us all but it won't happen, not while there's still Australians left in Australia it won't... :o...
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« Reply #6226 on: August 23, 2014, 05:29:34 pm »
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« Reply #6227 on: August 23, 2014, 06:35:42 pm »
They try that off and on here, the conservatives love the American style of medicine but the reality hits and the old people, grannies, grandpa's start to make rebellious noises and it goes back into con dreamland again seeing as how they want to get re-elected and some the old people are theirs, I mean what politician wants to see the photos and headlines of their gran saying to world  at large they were always evil bastards even when the were little. As far as paying for medical care I don't I'm a senior and the thought of what Hman is laying out is appalling, time to mobilize the old people and maybe time to consider that the politicians that are so in favor high cost health care are in the pocket of the medidrug cartels.
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« Reply #6228 on: August 23, 2014, 06:58:27 pm »
I can't be pissed off about health insurance, I pay $0 due to my employer paying 100% of it.
These days, you just have to have a job with benefits.  I am pissed off my wifey insists on that extra $500,000 life insurance policy she recently bought.....
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« Reply #6229 on: August 23, 2014, 08:12:26 pm »
Watch your back Steve, she's gonna off ya! Hey what happens when you're no longer working? (and will probably need more regular medical treatment?) Who picks up the tab then? My dad's in "Aged Care", it costs around 300 bucks per week, but that covers his accommodation, food, medical treatment, drugs etc.

The centre he's staying at is pretty good, the room has it's own en-suite bathroom, flat screen TV and refrigerator, and some of the oldies have their rooms decked out with nice furniture, and computers. If it wasn't for the odd smells around the place, I'd move in! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #6230 on: August 23, 2014, 11:39:13 pm »
Watch your back Steve, she's gonna off ya! Hey what happens when you're no longer working? (and will probably need more regular medical treatment?) Who picks up the tab then? My dad's in "Aged Care", it costs around 300 bucks per week, but that covers his accommodation, food, medical treatment, drugs etc.

The centre he's staying at is pretty good, the room has it's own en-suite bathroom, flat screen TV and refrigerator, and some of the oldies have their rooms decked out with nice furniture, and computers. If it wasn't for my odd smells, I'd be allowed to move in! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #6231 on: August 23, 2014, 11:45:48 pm »
Here in Colorado, there are almost no employers offering health insurance since 2012 when the 2nd phase of Obamacare kicked in. Starting in March this year (2014) any company that has 50+ employees of more than 32 hours per week has to pay health insurance for them: as you can imagine, the employment of full-timers has taken a major dive this year from that one. All over the country, there is now a "new" tracking number called "semi-employed", who used to have 40-hour/week jobs, now don't. It's a staggering number, too, being more than 55% of the workforce as of June 1 this year. In the last 7 years of tracking, the "new jobs created" number, which historically has always had to be AT LEAST 240,000 per month to make it a 0% growth number, has not once made it that high since Obama's economic plan hit. In December and January last, it hit less than 68,000 total jobs, and this administration actually blamed it on a major snowstorm that hit New York (no place else, just there...).

My favorite story under it all: in 2007 August I was part of a 320-person Engineering team that was opening up both the Pinedale natural gas field (HUGE) in Wyoming and re-opening the world's largest, richest, molybdenum mine in Colorado. In November 2008, when Obama won that election, the next week there was called a big Press conference at the firm, with the local newspaper and 2 TV channels coming to show it to the country. It wasn't quite what they had expected: instead of moving forward with all the designs and plans we were all finished with, and had started implementing, the financiers announced, "Due to the declining price of moly around the world, we are closing the mine" (that we were just 2 days from opening!). We were stunned. The Press left, and some of us Engineers went to the bankers to ask "WTF"? Moly was/is skyrocketing, as is/was natural gas. Two of the financiers took a few of us off to the side and said, quietly, "Look. This guy who won the election is a raging liberal supported by "green" billionaires who want to create a whole industry of solar and wind power with tax monies. We are not going to even try to operate in that environment, because they will sic the EPA on everything we do." This has become completely true, too.  Three weeks later, the company laid off 300 of the 400 engineers, including me, because all the contracts were suddenly closed.

The next day after the Press conference, the brand-new giant Mill we had just finished manufacturing for the mine arrived at the brand-new building in Fremont Pass (near Leadville), and the workers backed the specially-built flatbed truck into the brand-new building, unloaded the new Mill onto the brand-new floor in a convenient place, pulled out the truck and locked the brand-new doors after turning off the lights. Today, there is still a brand-new facility there with 3 people inside (security guards) who patrol the area. I saw it just a few weeks ago. Totally idle.

The gas field in Wyoming is all shut down, except for the privateers who operate a few sites here and there and truck their gas out. The pipelines we built are all shut off, waiting for another day.

"Pissed off" doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about THIS, either...
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Re: Let it all hang out,tell us how you really feel and what pisses you off.
« Reply #6232 on: August 23, 2014, 11:52:04 pm »
greenies piss me off,aka watermelons=green on the outside/red on the inside?

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« Reply #6233 on: August 24, 2014, 02:56:51 am »
That's right Dave, those fcukers have weedled their way into every level of government here in Victoria, and as much as it never really made the news in 2009, were responsible (in most locals opinions) for the ferocity of the "Black Saturday" bushfires that killed nearly 200 people, our worst fires here since the 1960's.

They banned back burning operations by the DSE (Department of Scorched Earth) and CFA (Current and Future Arsonists) they banned home owners from clearing fuel from property borders, banned home owners from removing trees from their own property, and put no pressure on the electricity companies to clear around their power transmission lines.

My old mate, Liam Shehan and his family in Kinglake survived because he'd cleared several trees from around his house and built several fire breaks around his house, but for awhile it looked like he'd lose his home anyway, as he'd have to sell it to pay the thousands of dollars in fines those hippie fcukwits levelled against him for removing the trees that he owned, on his own property. They backed off due to the media pressure after the fires, and to my knowledge, Liam survived the legal proceedings.

These are the same educated deadshidts that cost Mark his job, just with a different accent. They live in a "perfect world" where no-one has to work for a living, anyone is welcome to come and live here no matter how opposed their culture might be to ours, everything is free (paid for by the government's mung bean exports to the rest of the world) and we'll all be driving electric cars powered by wind generators and solar electricity. It sounds like a bad joke until we remember that they effectively ran this country for the previous 6 years. ;D
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« Reply #6234 on: August 24, 2014, 03:14:23 am »
Is this the bull#$%* thread all of a sudden...?  Whilst i agree that the greenies are an extreme minority, we need some serious leadership from the #$%*wits in charge, their #$%*ed up backward thinking is seriously jeopardizing our way of life and they are all for the "big Australia" policy of filling us up with immigrants and 457 visa workers that steal our #$%*ing jobs, the "boats" are a great distraction from the truth. Whether you like it or not, renewable energy is here to stay and those that ignore that are just plain ignorant, while renewable energy is pushing down the whole sale price of power, the governments has guaranteed the power companies a profit margin and also allowed them to retrieve their investment into the grid {poles and wires}, which they over invested by about 30%, so whilst power is generally cheaper, we pay more because the idiots in charge didn't think for one minute that people would try and reduce their power bills and thats exactly what they did {and why shouldn't they?}, so even if we try and use less, we get charged more,  thats #$%*ing great isn't it...?   Generally, all current politicians from all sides need lining up and putting out of OUR misery.... :o ;D
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« Reply #6235 on: August 24, 2014, 03:58:22 am »
Jeez, what is this Canada and Oz sound like they are part of the same political strata in that the the politicians come up with these mad ideas about agenda no matter what, no thought as to 10, 20, 30 years down the road, no thought to whether it will work or not, no thought of what it does to people other than their friends, then there is the "business leaders" who claim it's the governments fault, the peoples fault, it's the weathers fault, the moon and stars fault but never our fault. Guess who's fault it is? Ours, we the people carry the can for our mistakes  and of course every other groups mistakes as well so as the old song goes "So cheer up my lads Bless them all".
#$%* I'm tired of this #$%*, the new broom will sweep clean to this side and sweep clean to that side, but never do we need a new broom? To sweep some thing that's working, maybe if we just shift that dust bunny over there slightly things will hum along as they should. I'm pissed off.
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« Reply #6236 on: August 24, 2014, 10:01:04 am »
What the hell are mung beans?
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« Reply #6237 on: August 24, 2014, 12:44:56 pm »
I'm back.

My wife just went through several weeks of testing at hospital, and with insurance our costs are around $2,000.00 so far. Good thing we have insurance as the bills from the hospital for 3 days stay and testing was over $10,000.00, this does not include the doctors' visits, consults, pain medications etc. We pay almost $6,000/year for insurance.

One 5 minute doctor visit costs $407.50 !!, not covered by the insurance because it was unscheduled!  Where do they get these prices? I'm pissed.

We definitely need universal health care in the USA.

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« Reply #6238 on: August 24, 2014, 04:24:12 pm »
Yeah you do, when my wife died the only thing that cost me was I asked for an autopsy ( wanted to see what had gone on and maybe the info would help others) so no cost for the time in the emerg or the paramedics and the trip to the hospital.
I can hear the conservatives start to scream about welfare state. #$%* em!
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« Reply #6239 on: August 24, 2014, 04:27:05 pm »
I can hear the conservatives start to scream about welfare state. #$%* em!
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Agreed.... Selfish bastards... When they wake up to the fact that a healthy society is a more productive society then they may just get it but, don't hold your breath....
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« Reply #6240 on: August 24, 2014, 04:30:52 pm »
Watch your back Steve, she's gonna off ya! Hey what happens when you're no longer working?


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« Reply #6241 on: August 24, 2014, 04:34:01 pm »
I'm back.

My wife just went through several weeks of testing at hospital, and with insurance our costs are around $2,000.00 so far. Good thing we have insurance as the bills from the hospital for 3 days stay and testing was over $10,000.00, this does not include the doctors' visits, consults, pain medications etc. We pay almost $6,000/year for insurance.

One 5 minute doctor visit costs $407.50 !!, not covered by the insurance because it was unscheduled!  Where do they get these prices? I'm pissed.

We definitely need universal health care in the USA.

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They say that obama already created one. 

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« Reply #6242 on: August 24, 2014, 04:41:49 pm »
Maybe this list could provide some clues as to why US healthcare is so expensive.  Notice anything about the top dozen or so?

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« Reply #6243 on: August 24, 2014, 11:09:36 pm »
I'm back.

My wife just went through several weeks of testing at hospital, and with insurance our costs are around $2,000.00 so far. Good thing we have insurance as the bills from the hospital for 3 days stay and testing was over $10,000.00, this does not include the doctors' visits, consults, pain medications etc. We pay almost $6,000/year for insurance.

One 5 minute doctor visit costs $407.50 !!, not covered by the insurance because it was unscheduled!  Where do they get these prices? I'm pissed.

We definitely need universal health care in the USA.

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They say that obama already created one. 

Yeah. Before it - in 10/1/2010 it started - my health insurance for me and my wife was $435 per month. The next day, it was $1200 (each month, out of my pocket).  The front-end deductibles went from $1200/year for both of us to $10,000 per year. On June 1, 2014 (this summer) those plans were forced to end by Obamacare laws, and now the monthly cost is a mere $1400, with a $24,000 front-end deductible. And, so far as we can tell since July, NOTHING is covered, even by the deductible. Starting on November 1, 2014 (that's this year, folks), ALL present remaining non-Obamacare health insurance plans WILL be cancelled. This was timed in the original Obamacare bill to coincide with this next election, as by Nov. 1 the typical uninformed voting Democrat  here will have already voted, not knowing they are sealing their own fate. Then, they will lose their health insurance and fall under the plan I have now (one size fits all, you see), and they will have no more recourse. The only hope for even stemming it, let alone turning it around, is for the liberals to get wiped out in the next election, so we might have a chance to convince the "conservatives" (using the term loosely...) we might elect to do something about stopping it. And, those under 40 years of age who complain about it costing them $500/month now don't even have a clue what's already slated for January 2015: the Insurance Foundation has announced that the minimum price increase for anyone anywhere here is 12%, with most of the U.S. Northeast facing 33% hikes. It's mighty serious stuff!
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« Reply #6244 on: August 25, 2014, 01:11:38 am »
Mark, I was being sarcastic. I am well aware of the disaster of that particular health reform - or anything that commie in White House touched and screwed up.
I grew up in what Americans are trying so hard to create in this country and I sure did not move to USA to relive that nightmare.

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« Reply #6245 on: August 25, 2014, 02:03:14 am »
Your comparisons are quite ridiculous, maybe you should look at where you actually stand in the world in health care, being near the bottom of the heap and claiming to be a moral civilized country is a joke, if the right side of politics in your country had any care what so ever for its people you would have AFFORDABLE health care and its as simple as that and its an economically smart move.... Using the term "communist" is a joke, you should travel to more "normal" parts of the planet before making silly claims. Mark, for your company to close down the instant Obama was elected probably says more about the business practices of the company than Obama, whilst i'm sorry you lost your job i find it incredibly hard to believe the story the company fed you, if their business practice was sub standard and 3rd world then they deserve every thing they got, I can quote a hell of a lot of stories about unscrupulous business practices that ended up killing or poisoning hundreds of people in the States, there's quite a history of it, to blame someone that was just elected and hadn't passed anything into law is suspicious at best... Bush was a complete moron....
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« Reply #6246 on: August 25, 2014, 02:54:35 am »
Your comparisons are quite ridiculous, maybe you should look at where you actually stand in the world in health care, being near the bottom of the heap and claiming to be a moral civilized country is a joke, if the right side of politics in your country had any care what so ever for its people you would have AFFORDABLE health care and its as simple as that and its an economically smart move.... Using the term "communist" is a joke, you should travel to more "normal" parts of the planet before making silly claims. Mark, for your company to close down the instant Obama was elected probably says more about the business practices of the company than Obama, whilst i'm sorry you lost your job i find it incredibly hard to believe the story the company fed you, if their business practice was sub standard and 3rd world then they deserve every thing they got, I can quote a hell of a lot of stories about unscrupulous business practices that ended up killing or poisoning hundreds of people in the States, there's quite a history of it, to blame someone that was just elected and hadn't passed anything into law is suspicious at best... Bush was a complete moron....

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« Reply #6247 on: August 25, 2014, 03:00:40 am »
The question is not about politics it's about the citizenry having life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness isn't it? I've got a question because of your recent involvements in several wars you should have a lot of veterans floating about and if this is so my question is do they have to put up with this medical horse #$%*?
If they do what is their grateful country doing about them "oh you're good enough to be cannon fodder now go away. Retro is right, a healthy country is a more productive country. Also a country that soaks up less in the way of valuable resources. That's a little more than my 2c worth.
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« Reply #6248 on: August 25, 2014, 04:07:26 pm »
Your comparisons are quite ridiculous, maybe you should look at where you actually stand in the world in health care, being near the bottom of the heap and claiming to be a moral civilized country is a joke, if the right side of politics in your country had any care what so ever for its people you would have AFFORDABLE health care and its as simple as that and its an economically smart move.... Using the term "communist" is a joke, you should travel to more "normal" parts of the planet before making silly claims. Mark, for your company to close down the instant Obama was elected probably says more about the business practices of the company than Obama, whilst i'm sorry you lost your job i find it incredibly hard to believe the story the company fed you, if their business practice was sub standard and 3rd world then they deserve every thing they got, I can quote a hell of a lot of stories about unscrupulous business practices that ended up killing or poisoning hundreds of people in the States, there's quite a history of it, to blame someone that was just elected and hadn't passed anything into law is suspicious at best... Bush was a complete moron....

And now the one about Hansel and Gretel.

You know, going by your comments here you would HATE Australia or New Zealand or Switzerland or Sweden or any country that look after its people, we are far more "socially responsible" than the USA and you think they are communist, what it says to me is that you should get out and see more of the world, I understand you have poor memories of your life in your home country  and i sympathize with you but calling Obama a communist is ridiculous and an extreme view,  America is a country of extremes and i can't see that changing unless at all unless some one manages to make a profit from it.... ::)
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« Reply #6249 on: August 25, 2014, 10:20:10 pm »
  Mark, for your company to close down the instant Obama was elected probably says more about the business practices of the company than Obama, whilst i'm sorry you lost your job i find it incredibly hard to believe the story the company fed you, if their business practice was sub standard and 3rd world then they deserve every thing they got, ...

Well, regarding the "story" that it seems to sound like, it is borne out all across the USA: in the US now, compared to 2009 business levels, nearly 44% of manufacturing has shut down, mining has been cut back more than 65%, the Pinedale natural gas field (largest in the country) is running at less than 30% of what it was that day, (not to mention the Pennsylvania Formation and the Louisiana Discovery sites, now cut back over 40% each) and the only "booming" oil & gas operations are in the Bakken formation on the Canada border, on private rancher's land where the EPA can't walk in and make unscrupulous demands - it is private property, and most of it's ownership pre-dates the EPA. :)

On a more positive note, though: in the mid-1980s I was part of the AMOCO study that discovered, via the Landsat satellite and a 3-year survey of the whole Earth, that there is one gigantic oil/gas formation on this planet that is barely touched, and is larger than any other in the world. It reaches from the Arctic Circle, where today Canada is mining the Tar Sands into oil, all the way to the middle of South America. It covers (under) nearly the entire Rocky Mountains down the "spine" of North America, to south of Venuzuela, and the entire Gulf of Mexico. In some places, it is only 4000 feet down, in some places it is over 15,000 feet down, but in all places it is nearly 200x all of the oil under the Middle East.

We showed this in 1986-7 when AMOCO told us where to go and sink some test wells, and that the oil should be so-and-so deep, and of such-and-such composition, if this was true..
And it was! But at that time, OPEC warred against the find by dropping oil to less than $18 USD per barrel by stripping (and damaging) their formations in a massive rush to bloat the supply, in order to preserve their dominance. Reagan was happy to let the world burn up the OPEC supply then, saving ours for a later day.

Because of this, the face of oil & gas will change dramatically, and soon. It should be interesting to watch! :)
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