Topic: Let it all hang out,tell us how you really feel and what pisses you off.

[bear]

My toothy pegs were all beaut 20 years ago, back then I was jumping out of perfectly good aeroplanes, rapelling down 200 foot cliffs, shooting guns, blowing up unexploded bombs, running like a fcuking olympian (without the drugs) and rooting anything in a skirt. If I had of snuffed it then I would have had a lovely smile for my open casket public bereavement, but now, 20 years and 40 kilo's on, they'll shove me in a 44 gallon drum and screw the lid down tight, and roll me into the Yarra..............

I thought they where trying to clean up the Yarra...........

[DWS]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

[Retro Rocket]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

I'd be pissed off at who ever taught you to brake mate, leave the rear alone and work on proper braking technique, if the first thing you go for is the rear brake, prepare yourself for some future road rash.....

[mick7504]

Good on ya Mick, and I won't care if you've got a ticket or not, I'll just be happy to be dry again.  How extreme are your employers work health and safety rules? I think I remember you talking about an audit you had last year? If whoever you work for are keen for you to have a license then they should pay for your training, it's only a 2 day course, the company I used to work for paid for my license renewal and paid for my guys training whenever I hired anyone who didn't have a license, I think it came under their "Duty of Care" obligation? Anyway, you'll be OK, do a bit of research to get you up to date, and you'll be good to go.

There'll be no out of pocket expenses for me mate for the FL Ticket which will be covered.

We get audited every 12 months for our Environment, Safety and Quality Management Systems to keep our accreditation up to speed.
The goal is to get our Federal Accreditation but we've gotta jump through flaming hoops of fire to achieve that.
It's a challenge and we'll get there eventually.
One of the biggest hurdles is to keep everybody who is employed here on the same plateau and that has been a downfall over the years due to various reasons.

So, I've been given the task of raising the bar and keeping the level maintained which will keep us heading in the right direction so that we can achieve our goal.
A bit of diplomacy and communicating goes a long way with the fellas and gets them on side so that everybody works together and keeps the required standards up where they should be.

At the end of the day, the non compliers are beginning to realise that I might be a good bloke to have a beer with, but I'm a kunt to work for if ya don't tow the fcuking line.
That pisses 'em off. 

[Demon67]

Good on you Mick.
Bill the demon.

[Terry in Australia]

I thought they where trying to clean up the Yarra...........

Geez that's Harsh Brian, and I thought we were mates...........

[Terry in Australia]

Good on ya Mick, and I won't care if you've got a ticket or not, I'll just be happy to be dry again.  How extreme are your employers work health and safety rules? I think I remember you talking about an audit you had last year? If whoever you work for are keen for you to have a license then they should pay for your training, it's only a 2 day course, the company I used to work for paid for my license renewal and paid for my guys training whenever I hired anyone who didn't have a license, I think it came under their "Duty of Care" obligation? Anyway, you'll be OK, do a bit of research to get you up to date, and you'll be good to go.

There'll be no out of pocket expenses for me mate for the FL Ticket which will be covered.

We get audited every 12 months for our Environment, Safety and Quality Management Systems to keep our accreditation up to speed.
The goal is to get our Federal Accreditation but we've gotta jump through flaming hoops of fire to achieve that.
It's a challenge and we'll get there eventually.
One of the biggest hurdles is to keep everybody who is employed here on the same plateau and that has been a downfall over the years due to various reasons.

So, I've been given the task of raising the bar and keeping the level maintained which will keep us heading in the right direction so that we can achieve our goal.
A bit of diplomacy and communicating goes a long way with the fellas and gets them on side so that everybody works together and keeps the required standards up where they should be.

At the end of the day, the non compliers are beginning to realise that I might be a good bloke to have a beer with, but I'm a kunt to work for if ya don't tow the fcuking line.
That pisses 'em off. 

Best of luck with that Mick, trying to manage staff fairly and equally is like herding fcuking cats, but you've gotta try........

[Terry in Australia]

I'm pissed off because I've forgotten what I was pissed off about. Fark!

[Terry in Australia]

That's it, I just remembered. I got an email from a mate in Oregon who was telling me about his neighbour who's flying out to Africa today to go on a hunting safari. Apparently he's already selected the animals he wants to kill, and my mate couldn't remember all of them, but he's paid around $50,000 in advance, so he can blow away some African animals, including $5000 to kill a Zebra. He thought about killing an Elephant, but he decided that $28,500 was a bit out of his price range.   

Now maybe I'm being silly about this, but what the fcuk? What would possess a normal human being to spend in excess of $50K to go to Africa to kill some defenceless fcuking animals? I thought that creepy fcuking dentist who shot that poor Lion recently was a one off, but no, it appears that people are lining up to go to Africa with their big fcuking guns so they can shoot some poor fcuking animal, for "fun".

Fcuk me, the more I see of human nature, the more I like cats...........     

[petercb750]

That really pisses me off. Not only the fukctards that pull the triggers, but the fkn lowlifes that make money out of it.
They should be hunted and shot.

[trueblue]

That's it, I just remembered. I got an email from a mate in Oregon who was telling me about his neighbour who's flying out to Africa today to go on a hunting safari. Apparently he's already selected the animals he wants to kill, and my mate couldn't remember all of them, but he's paid around $50,000 in advance, so he can blow away some African animals, including $5000 to kill a Zebra. He thought about killing an Elephant, but he decided that $28,500 was a bit out of his price range.   

Now maybe I'm being silly about this, but what the fcuk? What would possess a normal human being to spend in excess of $50K to go to Africa to kill some defenceless fcuking animals? I thought that creepy fcuking dentist who shot that poor Lion recently was a one off, but no, it appears that people are lining up to go to Africa with their big fcuking guns so they can shoot some poor fcuking animal, for "fun".

Fcuk me, the more I see of human nature, the more I like cats...........     

I have to agree.  I enjoy hunting, but 95% of what I shoot ends up on the table.  I am against people going out and shooting some animal simply for the sake of it, that's not hunting, it's killing. Especially when you get up to the large calibre rifles most shots are taken at such a range that there is very little skill involved, other than being able to point and pull.

[Terry in Australia]

Yeah Pete, I reckon if they wanna hunt lions and tigers and fcuking elephants, we should take 'em to the zoo and throw 'em into the cages with nothing more to defend themselves than what they were born with, just like their prey. I'd pay to see a lion eat a fcuking dentist, especially if I could claim it on medicare.............  

[petercb750]

That's it, I just remembered. I got an email from a mate in Oregon who was telling me about his neighbour who's flying out to Africa today to go on a hunting safari. Apparently he's already selected the animals he wants to kill, and my mate couldn't remember all of them, but he's paid around $50,000 in advance, so he can blow away some African animals, including $5000 to kill a Zebra. He thought about killing an Elephant, but he decided that $28,500 was a bit out of his price range.   

Now maybe I'm being silly about this, but what the fcuk? What would possess a normal human being to spend in excess of $50K to go to Africa to kill some defenceless fcuking animals? I thought that creepy fcuking dentist who shot that poor Lion recently was a one off, but no, it appears that people are lining up to go to Africa with their big fcuking guns so they can shoot some poor fcuking animal, for "fun".

Fcuk me, the more I see of human nature, the more I like cats...........     

I have to agree.  I enjoy hunting, but 95% of what I shoot ends up on the table.  I am against people going out and shooting some animal simply for the sake of it, that's not hunting, it's killing. Especially when you get up to the large calibre rifles most shots are taken at such a range that there is very little skill involved, other than being able to point and pull.

I suspect these blokes are very good pullers

[Demon67]

Terry if you can't eat it or if it's not threatening any one that should be stopped being an old airman
"Live and let Live" is the golden rule, in a few years some one will come along and say oh #$%*, so and so critter has come down with a virus and they are endangered oh damm what are we going to do, well you might have left a big enough population to handle it by themselves in stead of raising them to be shot. #$%*! Humanity. Here you go, how about we grab these idiots strip them of their cash find a "regional conflict" drop them down with their white hunter suit on and their elephant gun in their hands, point across the valley or street and say there is your trophy big guy we'll pick you up in 7 -10 days, maybe in Syria, Iraq, or better yet Africa, gourmet local catering trophies mounted the whole package. Drop word on the way out with the local ISIS equivalent that there is a rabid anti Muslim across the street solve several problems at once make money maybe do a tie in with a reality show, god we could be rich  eco-hero's  and doing god's work all at the same time.
Bill the demon.

[calj737]

Come on, Terry, you're whinging about something you haven't got completely right. I do hunt, and like Andrew, it's goes on the table. BUT, as for Africa, I've been there too. Those massive fees serve numerous purposes: economy into a 3.5 world state. Guide fees, lodging, travel and transport, etc.

As for shooting defeneseless animals, you could not be more wrong. The high end fees for shooting dangerous game (like lions, elephants, rhino, leopards, and even crocs and hippos) is in large due to conservation expenses and very limited harvesting control. Personally, I have zero interest in shooting one of these animals and always prefer the smaller, abundant plains game for eating while there. But the elephants do get eaten by locals. In fact, a single elephant provides good enough for up to 300 people for 30 days.

And people do not recognize the destruction an elephant does when their habitat overlaps with people. Think feral pigs tear up a place? See what an elephant does while he's tromping about. It's like someone drunk dolt took a Caterpillar D-11 through with his blade down and went on a bender. It literally destroy all vegetation and uproots the soil making it do near unusable for growing food for about a decade.

Africa hunting gets an awful rap, but it's completely unlike what you've read or seen. It's far from lining up outside the fence, pointing out your pick and squeezing away. Heaps of hunters go with unfilled tags if they simply trophy hunt. Others, like me, go for the adventure and the experience. The meat is a pure bonus. And it's a major amount of work while there. And humans are not the top of the food chain on Africa. Whether you've got a big gun or not.

Not for everyone certainly and clearly agree. But that Dentist was the victim of unscrupulous or a negligent Professional Hunter (a license guide required by African laws). And your buddy's mate may be ticking off a bucket list item. Be glad he didn't use that $50k and buy up a large lot of sandcasts or other valuable motorcycles to sit in a pretty window and not ride them. Collectors piss me off!

[DWS]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

I'd be pissed off at who ever taught you to brake mate, leave the rear alone and work on proper braking technique, if the first thing you go for is the rear brake, prepare yourself for some future road rash.....

WOW ,really ,that's all you have to say MATE! Why don't you go ahead and teach me how you're expertise in breaking and using your gears to stop.
 I bought this bike in 1978 new and it has never been on its side or me with road rash, its not the first time some idiot has done stupid #$%* in front of me.
Tell me have you ever been down on a bike, just wondering?
Please teach me how to brake maybe i will learn something.
You know what really pisses me off, is that, i almost was hamburger on the road and someone tells you,  learn how to brake , instead of glad you still here to talk about it mate. Just saying.
To tell you the truth i don't remember how or what i did , it was all instinct, i just know I am still alive!!

[vfourfreak]

I have  found that going too hard for the rear brake pedal tends to invite additional woe. Personally, I would be going for app 75% braking force on the front brake, applied as progressively as circumstances permit to get heat into the tyre improving grip and avoiding lockup, and using the rear mostly to help steady things.

Of course, prevention is always better than cure.

Kev

[70CB750]

haha, all valid arguments and true to the core, but impossible to convince somebody who already has their opinion and are righteous about it.   

Go easy on them, they just follow what the media tells them too, not their own opinin either.

Come on, Terry, you're whinging about something you haven't got completely right. I do hunt, and like Andrew, it's goes on the table. BUT, as for Africa, I've been there too. Those massive fees serve numerous purposes: economy into a 3.5 world state. Guide fees, lodging, travel and transport, etc.

As for shooting defeneseless animals, you could not be more wrong. The high end fees for shooting dangerous game (like lions, elephants, rhino, leopards, and even crocs and hippos) is in large due to conservation expenses and very limited harvesting control. Personally, I have zero interest in shooting one of these animals and always prefer the smaller, abundant plains game for eating while there. But the elephants do get eaten by locals. In fact, a single elephant provides good enough for up to 300 people for 30 days.

And people do not recognize the destruction an elephant does when their habitat overlaps with people. Think feral pigs tear up a place? See what an elephant does while he's tromping about. It's like someone drunk dolt took a Caterpillar D-11 through with his blade down and went on a bender. It literally destroy all vegetation and uproots the soil making it do near unusable for growing food for about a decade.

Africa hunting gets an awful rap, but it's completely unlike what you've read or seen. It's far from lining up outside the fence, pointing out your pick and squeezing away. Heaps of hunters go with unfilled tags if they simply trophy hunt. Others, like me, go for the adventure and the experience. The meat is a pure bonus. And it's a major amount of work while there. And humans are not the top of the food chain on Africa. Whether you've got a big gun or not.

Not for everyone certainly and clearly agree. But that Dentist was the victim of unscrupulous or a negligent Professional Hunter (a license guide required by African laws). And your buddy's mate may be ticking off a bucket list item. Be glad he didn't use that $50k and buy up a large lot of sandcasts or other valuable motorcycles to sit in a pretty window and not ride them. Collectors piss me off!

[vfourfreak]

haha, all valid arguments and true to the core, but impossible to convince somebody who already has their opinion and are righteous about it.   

Go easy on them, they just follow what the media tells them too, not their own opinin either.

Come on, Terry, you're whinging about something you haven't got completely right. I do hunt, and like Andrew, it's goes on the table. BUT, as for Africa, I've been there too. Those massive fees serve numerous purposes: economy into a 3.5 world state. Guide fees, lodging, travel and transport, etc.

As for shooting defeneseless animals, you could not be more wrong. The high end fees for shooting dangerous game (like lions, elephants, rhino, leopards, and even crocs and hippos) is in large due to conservation expenses and very limited harvesting control. Personally, I have zero interest in shooting one of these animals and always prefer the smaller, abundant plains game for eating while there. But the elephants do get eaten by locals. In fact, a single elephant provides good enough for up to 300 people for 30 days.

And people do not recognize the destruction an elephant does when their habitat overlaps with people. Think feral pigs tear up a place? See what an elephant does while he's tromping about. It's like someone drunk dolt took a Caterpillar D-11 through with his blade down and went on a bender. It literally destroy all vegetation and uproots the soil making it do near unusable for growing food for about a decade.

Africa hunting gets an awful rap, but it's completely unlike what you've read or seen. It's far from lining up outside the fence, pointing out your pick and squeezing away. Heaps of hunters go with unfilled tags if they simply trophy hunt. Others, like me, go for the adventure and the experience. The meat is a pure bonus. And it's a major amount of work while there. And humans are not the top of the food chain on Africa. Whether you've got a big gun or not.

Not for everyone certainly and clearly agree. But that Dentist was the victim of unscrupulous or a negligent Professional Hunter (a license guide required by African laws). And your buddy's mate may be ticking off a bucket list item. Be glad he didn't use that $50k and buy up a large lot of sandcasts or other valuable motorcycles to sit in a pretty window and not ride them. Collectors piss me off!

I will offer a bounty of €0.0001 for every mosquito shot to death on my estate by wealthy hunters. No licence required. And there are so many of the bastaaaahds here a man could become even more wealthy while requiring only a modicum of skill.

Any takers ?

Kev

[calj737]

On my way, Kev! I'll use a slingshot as well to keep it sorting and non-lethal. Or maybe set off some of those gas canisters you have lolling about?

All: I've meant no offense to anyone with the hunting reply. Only offering some personal experience as insight. Never meant for it to be taken as a podium pounding.

Offending people unintentionally pisses me off

[mrbreeze]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

I'd be pissed off at who ever taught you to brake mate, leave the rear alone and work on proper braking technique, if the first thing you go for is the rear brake, prepare yourself for some future road rash.....

WOW ,really ,that's all you have to say MATE! Why don't you go ahead and teach me how you're expertise in breaking and using your gears to stop.
 I bought this bike in 1978 new and it has never been on its side or me with road rash, its not the first time some idiot has done stupid #$%* in front of me.
Tell me have you ever been down on a bike, just wondering?
Please teach me how to brake maybe i will learn something.
You know what really pisses me off, is that, i almost was hamburger on the road and someone tells you,  learn how to brake , instead of glad you still here to talk about it mate. Just saying.
To tell you the truth i don't remember how or what i did , it was all instinct, i just know I am still alive!!

I understand what people here are trying to get across about diving in on the rear brake being a recipe for disaster but sometimes when you have to think fast as is the case here it's hard to do things properly. You really gotta be on your toes on a bike. I like flying through turns as much as the next guy but it can be risky when you can't see around that turn because there is always the chance that some a$$hat will be there stopped in your lane to look at deer or some other kind of nonsense. Out here in California in the bay area as some of us are familiar with highway 9 (Alice's Restaurant) there are droves of bikes out there. Mostly riders out having a leisurely ride but you will always have morons that think they are at Laguna Seca in the middle of some kind of race. I had 2 bikes coming right at me out of a turn that couldn't hold their own lane they were traveling so fast. Morons should be banned from owning rice rockets. They totally piss me off!!

[petercb750]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

I'd be pissed off at who ever taught you to brake mate, leave the rear alone and work on proper braking technique, if the first thing you go for is the rear brake, prepare yourself for some future road rash.....

WOW ,really ,that's all you have to say MATE! Why don't you go ahead and teach me how you're expertise in breaking and using your gears to stop.
 I bought this bike in 1978 new and it has never been on its side or me with road rash, its not the first time some idiot has done stupid #$%* in front of me.
Tell me have you ever been down on a bike, just wondering?
Please teach me how to brake maybe i will learn something.
You know what really pisses me off, is that, i almost was hamburger on the road and someone tells you,  learn how to brake , instead of glad you still here to talk about it mate. Just saying.
To tell you the truth i don't remember how or what i did , it was all instinct, i just know I am still alive!!

Retro has a valid point...if your normal reaction in a situation like that is to "push hard on the rear brake pedal" then the fact you are not hamburger is due not to your skills but just old fashion luck.
Incorrect braking is one of the major contributors to bike accidents. Standing the bike up, squeezing (not slamming) the front brake lever and at the same time using as much rear brake as you can without locking is the preferred method. Yes, your years of instinctive riding may cause you to react and hit the controls hard, but it's not good practice.
By squeezing the front brake, you are compressing the front tyre, which is giving you a larger contact patch with the road which means you can squeeze even harder due to more grip.

And, to kick a door at 80mph when you don't even know if the driver is a crackhead or just nuts is well....nuts. All the luck you used up in avoiding him could be for nought when he swerves into you and turns you into hamburger anyway.
Just sayin.

[Bailgang]

haha, all valid arguments and true to the core, but impossible to convince somebody who already has their opinion and are righteous about it.   

Go easy on them, they just follow what the media tells them too, not their own opinin either.

Come on, Terry, you're whinging about something you haven't got completely right. I do hunt, and like Andrew, it's goes on the table. BUT, as for Africa, I've been there too. Those massive fees serve numerous purposes: economy into a 3.5 world state. Guide fees, lodging, travel and transport, etc.

As for shooting defeneseless animals, you could not be more wrong. The high end fees for shooting dangerous game (like lions, elephants, rhino, leopards, and even crocs and hippos) is in large due to conservation expenses and very limited harvesting control. Personally, I have zero interest in shooting one of these animals and always prefer the smaller, abundant plains game for eating while there. But the elephants do get eaten by locals. In fact, a single elephant provides good enough for up to 300 people for 30 days.

And people do not recognize the destruction an elephant does when their habitat overlaps with people. Think feral pigs tear up a place? See what an elephant does while he's tromping about. It's like someone drunk dolt took a Caterpillar D-11 through with his blade down and went on a bender. It literally destroy all vegetation and uproots the soil making it do near unusable for growing food for about a decade.

Africa hunting gets an awful rap, but it's completely unlike what you've read or seen. It's far from lining up outside the fence, pointing out your pick and squeezing away. Heaps of hunters go with unfilled tags if they simply trophy hunt. Others, like me, go for the adventure and the experience. The meat is a pure bonus. And it's a major amount of work while there. And humans are not the top of the food chain on Africa. Whether you've got a big gun or not.

Not for everyone certainly and clearly agree. But that Dentist was the victim of unscrupulous or a negligent Professional Hunter (a license guide required by African laws). And your buddy's mate may be ticking off a bucket list item. Be glad he didn't use that $50k and buy up a large lot of sandcasts or other valuable motorcycles to sit in a pretty window and not ride them. Collectors piss me off!

Natives of Zimbabwe don't cry much over lions and here's a reason why from their point of view. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=0

[Retro Rocket]

When you think your going for a nice ride around the mountain canyon roads and on the why back to home and your in a nice tight right hand corner, doing 50 mph and a van is stopped in the middle of the road looking at deer, you have a split second to make a move to go right ( no cant go that way not enough room) then you look left and can't see if there are any cars coming, so you push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass  while your clamp down on the front break and your screaming at them at the same time as you stop 15 feet from there fing bumper, then they take off as fast as they can, you catch up to them and pass while there doing 80 mph, you kick there door and scream some more, while they look at you like, what did i do.
 That really pisses me off. One thing i do know now my brakes work! LOL

I'd be pissed off at who ever taught you to brake mate, leave the rear alone and work on proper braking technique, if the first thing you go for is the rear brake, prepare yourself for some future road rash.....

WOW ,really ,that's all you have to say MATE! Why don't you go ahead and teach me how you're expertise in breaking and using your gears to stop.
 I bought this bike in 1978 new and it has never been on its side or me with road rash, its not the first time some idiot has done stupid #$%* in front of me.
Tell me have you ever been down on a bike, just wondering?
Please teach me how to brake maybe i will learn something.
You know what really pisses me off, is that, i almost was hamburger on the road and someone tells you,  learn how to brake , instead of glad you still here to talk about it mate. Just saying.
To tell you the truth i don't remember how or what i did , it was all instinct, i just know I am still alive!!

Harden up mate, I wasn't trying to provoke a defensive response, you said that the first thing you did was "  push hard on the back brake peddle and pucker ass", that is the WRONG thing to do in any emergency situation on a bike, I don't care what you say, the simple fact that you said it was reason enough for me to comment, if you knew it was wrong you wouldn't have written it. I'm glad you managed to get around the idiot stopped in the middle of the road but, if that rear wheel had locked you would really be pissed off as it would have all gone pear shaped.  I would willingly teach you how to emergency brake properly if you weren't so far away, I suspect you probably wouldn't be interested though. And, Yes. I've been down the road twice in 36 years, one was a hit and run that got me from behind and left me in the bush bleeding out for about 7 hours, with a fractured skull, broken jaw, badly broken arm, wrist and collar bone and  severed artery in my left wrist as well as internal injuries I still deal with today, I was found by a kid on his way home from a party at around midnight, I'd almost bled out, and the second,  I was on the back of a mates bike and it was raining, just slid down the road a bit and wasn't hurt badly, why is that even relevant, I know some brilliant riders that have had horrible accidents, some are dead, the fact that you say you've never had one is PURE LUCK ?. petercb750 is a rider trainer, he's saying exactly what I said, did you think I just posted this just to piss you off, i'm in the right place and all but,  that was not my intention....? 

[Retro Rocket]

haha, all valid arguments and true to the core, but impossible to convince somebody who already has their opinion and are righteous about it.   

Go easy on them, they just follow what the media tells them too, not their own opinin either.

Come on, Terry, you're whinging about something you haven't got completely right. I do hunt, and like Andrew, it's goes on the table. BUT, as for Africa, I've been there too. Those massive fees serve numerous purposes: economy into a 3.5 world state. Guide fees, lodging, travel and transport, etc.

As for shooting defeneseless animals, you could not be more wrong. The high end fees for shooting dangerous game (like lions, elephants, rhino, leopards, and even crocs and hippos) is in large due to conservation expenses and very limited harvesting control. Personally, I have zero interest in shooting one of these animals and always prefer the smaller, abundant plains game for eating while there. But the elephants do get eaten by locals. In fact, a single elephant provides good enough for up to 300 people for 30 days.

And people do not recognize the destruction an elephant does when their habitat overlaps with people. Think feral pigs tear up a place? See what an elephant does while he's tromping about. It's like someone drunk dolt took a Caterpillar D-11 through with his blade down and went on a bender. It literally destroy all vegetation and uproots the soil making it do near unusable for growing food for about a decade.

Africa hunting gets an awful rap, but it's completely unlike what you've read or seen. It's far from lining up outside the fence, pointing out your pick and squeezing away. Heaps of hunters go with unfilled tags if they simply trophy hunt. Others, like me, go for the adventure and the experience. The meat is a pure bonus. And it's a major amount of work while there. And humans are not the top of the food chain on Africa. Whether you've got a big gun or not.

Not for everyone certainly and clearly agree. But that Dentist was the victim of unscrupulous or a negligent Professional Hunter (a license guide required by African laws). And your buddy's mate may be ticking off a bucket list item. Be glad he didn't use that $50k and buy up a large lot of sandcasts or other valuable motorcycles to sit in a pretty window and not ride them. Collectors piss me off!

Really Prokop,  thinking that anyone that dislikes these morons killing, in a lot of cases, beasts on endangered lists,  can't think for themselves and simply follow the media is absolute bull#$%* ...? Says more about you than it does about us....   Cal, that dentist is a #$%*ing parasite, don't make excuses for him mate....