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How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:41:57 PM »
I assume the idea is to remove the material where the thread was intentionally damaged. But how exactly do you do it?

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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 05:01:03 PM »
Quote from: Tugboat on March 23, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
I assume the idea is to remove the material where the thread was intentionally damaged. But how exactly do you do it?



No do not do that!!!
Just unscrew the bearing retainer thats all.Period.
You can use a spanner tool if it is not already too wrecked otherwise you will have to use a punch to get it loose.
You can use a spanner from your hand grinder.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 05:26:29 PM »
Quote from: lucky on March 23, 2012, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Tugboat on March 23, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
I assume the idea is to remove the material where the thread was intentionally damaged. But how exactly do you do it?



No do not do that!!!
Just unscrew the bearing retainer thats all.Period.
You can use a spanner tool if it is not already too wrecked otherwise you will have to use a punch to get it loose.
You can use a spanner from your hand grinder.
Photo below.

Why not? I believe it is the accepted way. If you do not, then it is a #$%* to unscrew, and you end up with F'd up spanner holes like in the picture.. The trick is to not use a huge bit, but one about the same size as the punch used to stake it, maybe slightly larger. Get it in the hole, and just go down enough to remove the original staking. When all the work is done, you just re-stake it with a center punch in the same location so you don't have a bunch of dimples all over the place.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2012, 05:37:54 PM »
Quote from: lucky on March 23, 2012, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Tugboat on March 23, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
I assume the idea is to remove the material where the thread was intentionally damaged. But how exactly do you do it?



No do not do that!!!
Just unscrew the bearing retainer thats all.Period.

Tug Be carfull who you listen to. Anyone who has done this should know you have to drill the stake marks. This is well documented. Use a drill the next size larger than the punch mark and only drill as deep as the mark If you do not you will continue to mess up the threads as you turn it out. You can do this without a drillpress but hold it straight Several post on this look at Thoughts of HondaMan or tips and tricks FAQ
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2012, 05:39:54 PM »
Gonzo You are correct.

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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2012, 06:16:41 PM »
Quote from: bollingball on March 23, 2012, 05:39:54 PM
Gonzo You are correct.

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+1 If you do a search on wheel beaning removal. You will find some pics of homemade tools. When you o to remove it wiggle it left and right to dislodge any metal flakes from the drilling.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2012, 06:21:18 PM »
What ?...did  someone call me ?.....

Seriously tho'... prolly have to rap one of the holes with a steel punch and hammer to get a move on it... if you have a 'spanner' that fits, you will need to rap it with a hammer too, just to break the 'stake'.. good luck !
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2012, 09:12:35 PM »
I just did mine - front and rear.  Ken Buchanan told me about the drilling so I went for it - careful as I could be to drill only the retainer and not the hub-side threads, but I did get some of them on a couple holes.  The good news is I was able to clean these up pretty well with a thread chaser (basically a 10mm snap-on tap from their thread repair kit) and besides, even if "only" 90% of the receiving threads are in tact, that's plenty of bite for the retainer. At least I hope it will be.

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I guess I'll find out -- I'm gonna put a tell-tale marker on it so I can more easily track any movement, but I'm also gonna stake it (once) and use a bit of locktite.

Getting the rear bearings out was not a fun job, but it's now a done job, and the new ones from All-Balls are in and looking fine. 
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 06:09:31 AM »
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 06:35:25 AM »
You absolutely must drill out the stakes. There is no need to be careful of the threads in the hub side. Just set the drill bit, slightly larger than the stake size, in the stake hole and go down about 1/4 to 3/8. Clean/vacuum the drill waste away.   In the tricks and Tips there is a thread on DIY pin wrench, I'll look for it.

If the stakes are properly drilled out you will barely need the wrendh/pin tool. You will need one to reinstall however.

Not doing so often means you manhandle the retainer ring and destroy it and the hub. Many woeful threads here to that effect. If someone was able to turn the retainer without drilling the stakes, the stakes must not have been done properly. If proper, you will not be able to turn the retainer past the stakes without destroying something.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 06:45:38 AM »
Here's my favorite  ;) .
I started this thread with a wooden one, forget that. Others chimed in with better ideas. I finished the thread with the best one yet, so scroll to the bottom. 10 minutes about $3, and more leverage than you could ever want.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=40052.0
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 10:55:58 AM »
Quote from: MCRider on March 24, 2012, 06:35:25 AM
You absolutely must drill out the stakes. There is no need to be careful of the threads in the hub side. Just set the drill bit, slightly larger than the stake size, in the stake hole and go down about 1/4 to 3/8. Clean/vacuum the drill waste away.   In the tricks and Tips there is a thread on DIY pin wrench, I'll look for it.

If the stakes are properly drilled out you will barely need the wrendh/pin tool. You will need one to reinstall however.

Not doing so often means you manhandle the retainer ring and destroy it and the hub. Many woeful threads here to that effect. If someone was able to turn the retainer without drilling the stakes, the stakes must not have been done properly. If proper, you will not be able to turn the retainer past the stakes without destroying something.

+1.  Make life easy.  The hub is made from a fairly soft aluminum, which makes it very easy to drill.  It also makes it really easy to booger up the threads if you try to unscrew it without drilling out the stakes!  Last time I used a really worn out dewalt cordless drill, still worked just fine.  The retainer is still available from Honda.  Once the retainer is out, wipe the inside with a towel to get rid of any shavings that may come off as you unscrew the old retainer.

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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 01:33:22 PM »
That did it - smooth tapping them out once I drilled down about 3/16". Thanks fellas. Once again, this forum has saved my a$$ :)
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2012, 01:40:29 PM »
God job. I didn't drill mine big enough and it was a nightmare. Get it right the first time and it's easy.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2012, 03:06:35 PM »
hey guys. just got a new tire and bearings for my 77. Front tire btw. I had no problems getting the bearings out. but i dont have any sort of "spanner tool" and i got hasty being that im excited to get the new stuff together. needless to say i took the nut off with a hammer and a screw driver. Persistantly. Said persistance has led to the desctruction of this retaining spanner nut. does anyone know where i could find a replacement???
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2012, 03:58:50 PM »
Quote from: 77hotrodhonda on July 30, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
hey guys. just got a new tire and bearings for my 77. Front tire btw. I had no problems getting the bearings out. but i dont have any sort of "spanner tool" and i got hasty being that im excited to get the new stuff together. needless to say i took the nut off with a hammer and a screw driver. Persistantly. Said persistance has led to the desctruction of this retaining spanner nut. does anyone know where i could find a replacement???
Reply #9 and #11 above will tell you what you want to know. Did you drill the stakes out before trying to turn the retainer? The retainers for the CB750 (what bike do you have?) are available from usual OEM suspects. Online like motogrid or your local dealer.
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
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Re: How do you drill out "staked" bearing retainers?
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 03:21:36 PM »
Quote from: bert96 on July 31, 2012, 04:15:14 PM


 Just found this tool,would love to have one,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB-750-REAR-WHEEL-TOOL-PEG-SOCKET-SPANNER-SERVICE-TOOL-CB750-HONDA-BEARINGS-hz-/261073130772?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc92bd514


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Man that is nice.  I quickly bent the spanner wrench I got from Harbor Freight even after I drilled out the punch marks.
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