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Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« on: March 26, 2006, 01:43:15 PM »
I started adding up the costs of creating decent-looking rivets for the gas caps and it gets scary because of the aluminum or stainless steel parts required and the machine time. But, I stumbled on a nice solution.

On the CB750 (and, I think most others are very similar in dimensions), the hinge pin is .115" diameter, .980" length. A stainless-steel screw or hex button-head capscrew is .108" diameter and can be found in 1.00" and 1.125" length. This will fit nicely through the tank's hinge support and into a crown nut on the other side. If you want to keep others from removing your screw (that's an important accessory...), use a hex-head screw (not many folks carry around a set of hex wrenches). The crown nut can be Loctited on (use red or blue for later disassembly, green for forever). Be sure to use stainless steel to prevent sparks or rust.

If you want, I can purchase a bunch of these and maybe some of those tiny LocTite sample packs and sell them to those of you who want them. I'll get the hex-head variety and bright crown nuts so they look nice. It will probably run less than $5 with shipping in the U.S. Those of you "down under" can probably do the same amongst yourselves: I'm sure AUS has these screws, too.

Let me know if you want them: e-mail me at : mgparis@concentric.net . Then I'll get a count and make a bulk purchase.

Jay: I'll send you one set, just 'cuz you took yours apart for my sample.
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2006, 02:10:34 PM »
Sent you an email, hope you can help me out ;D

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2006, 05:58:17 PM »
Any pics?
I was also trying to come up with alternatives for the nasty rivet pins. On my K1-750 I was able to use a stainless steel taper pin for the hinge side (sticks out either side just a tiny bit) and was trying to use a 4-40 stainless screw, but was unable to find any of the stainless crown nuts to complete the job. McMaster-Carr listed some stuff, but didn't want to buy a quantity just to et a couple...
If I can get a peek at what you've set up, I may want some for mine.

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2006, 08:59:18 PM »
I've purchased 100 screws, 50 acorn nuts and 100 stainless steel washers to match. All is in 18-8 stainless to prevent sparks and rust. Most bikes should accept them as they come, using one washer each side of the cap. The threads are self-clinching type so they won't back off in use, and they can be adjusted to suit your "tightness taste" (I like mine a little snug.

The screws might be 1/16" too long for some 350 twin caps, but they are easily trimmed. I plan to send 2 screws, 2 washers and one nut in each kit so if someone messes up on cutting a screw short, they can try again.

They should be here in a week or so.
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2006, 09:12:19 PM »
G'Day Hondy, I'll take 2 mate! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 03:45:42 AM »

Jay: I'll send you one set, just 'cuz you took yours apart for my sample.

Thanks HondaMan!
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2006, 03:01:34 PM »
Hondaman.....do you still have any of these screw sets for sale?

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2006, 08:00:48 PM »
Hondaman, Id like a set as well if you do. must have missed the original post.....

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 08:12:57 PM »
G'Day Hondy, I'll take 2 mate! Cheers, Terry. ;D

Aww, did yours get taken away when you got married??    ;D
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2006, 04:33:17 PM »
G'Day Hondy, I'll take 2 mate! Cheers, Terry. ;D

Aww, did yours get taken away when you got married??    ;D

Het Strokey, how'd you know I had a CB750 when I got married back in 1982? (my first K1, geez, I miss it!)

Incidentally, I bought a heap of these kits from Mark (Hondaman) and they're brilliant!

I'll be painting two sets of CB750 tanks and sidies this summer (now) and I won't be pisssing about with the poxy OEM items, Mark's kits look much nicer, and a hell of a lot safer than trying to pean over a rivet on a freshly painted tank! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 04:54:30 PM »
Het Strokey, how'd you know...

Lucky guess!  ;D
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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 05:07:57 PM »
Hondaman, Id like a set as well if you do. must have missed the original post.....

cheers
Andy

Hi, Andy;

Did you ever get some of these tank rivet-screws? I just noticed that some folks are responding here instead of PM-ing me.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2006, 05:09:56 PM »
Hondaman.....do you still have any of these screw sets for sale?

Thx,
Doug


Hi, Doug;

I just noticed some folks are responding here instead of PM-ing me: did you get the screws you needed?
I've sent so many, I've lost track of who's who!
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2006, 05:12:01 PM »
G'Day Hondy, I'll take 2 mate! Cheers, Terry. ;D

Aww, did yours get taken away when you got married??    ;D

Het Strokey, how'd you know I had a CB750 when I got married back in 1982? (my first K1, geez, I miss it!)

Incidentally, I bought a heap of these kits from Mark (Hondaman) and they're brilliant!

I'll be painting two sets of CB750 tanks and sidies this summer (now) and I won't be pisssing about with the poxy OEM items, Mark's kits look much nicer, and a hell of a lot safer than trying to pean over a rivet on a freshly painted tank! Cheers, Terry. ;D


I miss my K1, too: it had those nice glass-packed mufflers, with SUCH a sweet tone! Had more low-end to it, too, because of the spark advancer and the lower gearing.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book

Link to website: www.SOHC4shop.com

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2006, 05:09:33 PM »
Okay Mark, I'll bite, what is this "Spark advancer" of which you speak? Or are you talking about your beaut electronic ignition module thingy? ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Looking for Gas Cap rivet? A better idea!
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2006, 08:25:54 PM »
No, no..nothing that exotic....yet.   ;)

The K0 and K1 engines all used spark advancers that had either 40 degrees or 36 degrees of advance. By late 1970, these were dropped to 26 degrees, although occasionally I would see one come by that had the earlier units in them (when doing someone's tuneups, usually). All of the glass-pack-muffler equipped 750s I remember had these longer advance units in them. As soon as the K2 came out, with its 5-chamber mufflers, the advance dropped to 26 degree units and stayed there for the rest of the CB750K series (K6).

One of my "hop ups" is to widen the stops on the advancers to 36 degrees if you have a stock cam, then run premium gas. Often, this makes the spark plugs show up whiter: in the 1969-1970 era the D8E spark plug was the stock plug. When the advancers dropped back, Honda began using the D8ES, which has a wider heat range and can take extra heat. When the advancers dropped to 26 degrees, Honda used the D8ES-L plug, which was a D8E with an extended electrode that made it sort of a "D7.5E" heat range, a little hotter than the D8ES. At this same time, the ND X24ES-U/X22ES-U series appeared: these had the extended tip like the D8ES-L and a marketing gimmick of a U-shaped ground electrode to set them apart in the stores...but I digress...the point here is: making more heat earlier in the RPM range improves midrange torque, and it can be tailored with plugs of slightly different heat ranges.

The 40 degree units were found in the K0 only, in my experience, and not even in all of them. In those with a 40-degree advancer, you would find the cam had more duration and it started earlier in the intake valve, with the same exhaust specs. This makes for more high-RPM horses: the glass-pack mufflers breathed out easier than the later models and Honda eased off the cam intake cycle and spark advance angle to reduce heat.

Today, I cannot even find the D8ES-L or the X22ES-U or X24ES-U plugs: they have been replaced with "broad range" units like the D8EA. It's too bad, really, because I notice the extra missing pony or two. I had to lean out the jetting to run with these, so they will stay clean. I ran 105 mains and 24mm floats for years with the older plugs: I have to run 26mm floats and 100 mains with the new ones or the plugs will foul in 1 tank of gas.   :(
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

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