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Is Progressive Insurance evil? Should I leave them?
« on: August 13, 2012, 06:35:57 PM »
 I like the Flow character and I have been having my MC insurance with them for over 4 years. But I ran into this write up today and made me think...There is not mention of case number or actual names so I can not verify it is absolute true, or not.  If you guys know the fact, please let me know.

My Sister Paid Progressive Insurance to Defend Her Killer In Court

"I’ve been sending out some impertinent tweets about Progressive Insurance lately, but I haven’t explained how they pissed me off. So I will do that here as succinctly as possible. There’s a general understanding that says, “insurance companies— oh they’re awful,” but since Progressive turned their #$%* hose on my late sister and my parents, I’ve learned some things that really surprised me.

I’ll try to cleave to the facts. On June 19, 2010, my sister was driving in Baltimore when her car was struck by another car and she was killed. The other driver had run a red light and hit my sister as she crossed the intersection on the green light.

Now, I don’t discount the possibility that Katie was at fault in the accident, but it never really looked that way. The only witness who gave a statement on the day said that Katie had the light, etc. The totality of the evidence left some room for argument, but that will be the case any time there’s a catastrophic car accident that doesn’t happen underneath an array of video cameras.

One indication that the case was pretty open-and-shut was that the other guy’s insurance company looked at the situation and settled with my sister’s estate basically immediately. Now, because the other driver was under insured, that payment didn’t amount to much, but my sister carried a policy with Progressive against the possibility of an accident with an under insured driver. So Progressive was now on the hook for the difference between the other guy’s insurance and the value of Katie’s policy.

At which point we learned the first surprising thing about Progressive: Carrying Progressive insurance and getting into an accident does not entitle you to the value of your insurance policy. It just pisses off Progressive’s lawyers. Here I address you, Prospective Progressive Insurance Customer: someday when you have your accident, I promise that there will be enough wiggle room for Progressive’s bottomless stack of in-house attorneys to make a court case out of it and to hammer at that court case until you or your surviving loved ones run out of money.

Which is what Progressive decided to do to my family. In hopes that a jury would hang or decide that the accident was her fault, they refused to pay the policy to my sister’s estate.

Out of a sense of honor, and out of a sense of the cost of my sister’s outstanding student loans, my folks opted to try to go after the money through legal channels. At which point they learned another delightful thing. In Maryland, you may not sue an insurance company when they refuse to fork over your money. Instead, what they had to do was sue the guy who killed my sister, establish his negligence in court, and then leverage that decision to force Progressive to pay the policy.

Now my parents don’t harbor much venom for the guy who killed my sister. It was an accident, and kicking that guy around won’t bring Katie back. But kicking that guy around was the only way to get Progressive to pay. So they filed a civil suit against the other driver in hopes that, rather than going to court, Progressive would settle. Progressive did not. Progressive made a series of offers (never higher than 1/3 the amount they owe) and then let it go to a trial.

At the trial, the guy who killed my sister was defended by Progressive’s legal team.

If you are insured by Progressive, and they owe you money, they will defend your killer in court in order to not pay you your policy.

The trial was a real #$%* show for my parents, and I did not love it either. As it happens, the jury did find that the other driver was negligent, which, if justice or decency were priorities for Progressive, will result in them finally honoring Katie’s policy. At this point, I hope you’ll forgive me if I wait for it to actually happen.

Don’t buy insurance from Progressive. Not only will you be paying the salaries of people who put my family through the wringer (really a smaller wringer that Progressive attached to the main wringer of my sister’s death), but also when the chips are down, your money will have bought you nothing but a kick in the face."

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 06:46:36 PM »
You know Progressive is owned by Warren Buffet.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 07:37:18 PM »
I'd run that story through Snopes or some other fact checking site.  Usually about half of the outrageous stories are true.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 07:43:34 PM »
1. Auto insurance isn't the same as life insurance. It's not a contract to pay a set amount.
2. All insurance companies are evil.
3. All insurance companies are evil.
4. State Farm is even more evil....

More info: http://consumerist.com/2012/08/why-would-an-insurance-company-defend-the-at-fault-driver-in-a-fatal-car-accident.html
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 07:50:15 PM »
Wow, the lack of consumer protection in the USA is a complete joke.....
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 10:24:14 PM »
Sounds like it could be a true story which goes to the heart of what I cannot stress enough; if you are involved in a vehicle accident, GET A GOOD AMBULANCE CHASER. Your insurance company will attempt to pay out as little as legally possible, Progressive is no different than any other insurance company in that respect. They will not pay dime number one to you unless they are required to, the bloodsucking lawyer helps in this process.

Do not leave it up to an insurance company to "do the right thing". That won't happen.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 07:43:58 AM »
1. Auto insurance isn't the same as life insurance. It's not a contract to pay a set amount.
2. All insurance companies are evil.
3. All insurance companies are evil.
4. State Farm is even more evil....

More info: http://consumerist.com/2012/08/why-would-an-insurance-company-defend-the-at-fault-driver-in-a-fatal-car-accident.html

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 10:34:45 AM »
Not sure if there is a good one. I had to make claim on State Farm. Although my motorcycle and car insurance HAVE to be carried on a separate policy, guess which one went up when I had my accident? Yes it was my fault (lowside), but I was going to eventually get another bike. Rather than wait for that, they doubled my car insurance (no ticket issued) and said even if I got motorcycle insurance with them again, that would be higher as well?? THey will get their money back one way or another, but I just found it odd that my "car" insurance (mind you the one that costs more) went up. Perhaps there is some secret numbers gimmick I don't understand, but I stayed with them for quite a bit longer until every 6 months I was getting an extra $90 charge that they couldn't readilly explain to me. Saying that my policy automatically updates and that is the charge for it. Bewildered I looked further into it and couldn't find out how this made sense?? Called Geico (who I don't know is much better) and they cut my rates in half on both vehicles! Needless to say, I jumped ship after 10 years with State Farm. They have lost a good customer. Always paid on time and took their #$%*, so I must have been exactly what they were looking for. only thing I can say about them that WAS good, was that they paid quickly and gave me a kick ass deal on the buy back of the Buell I went down on. Other than that, they seemed to have multiple fluff charges...

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
After my incident on my bike the old geezer that hit me had State Farm and they are absolutely the most inept, unprofessional insurance company I have ever had to deal with. Multiple agencies from State Farm called me up to bother me and multiple times I had to tell them to talk to my ambulance chaser. After a while of them calling and what was a basic case of harassment I just told them I would report them to the better business bureau if they would not stop calling me, talk to my damn lawyer if you want to ask questions.

They had the stones to ask ME for a copy of the police report! I will never deal with them ever after that incident, I hope they pay through the teeth.
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 01:39:27 PM »
umm?whats an ambulance chaser?

just googled it!yeah that figures.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 02:49:33 PM »
umm?whats an ambulance chaser?

just googled it!yeah that figures.

When you get in a wreck they are well worth their weight in golden chocolate coins.
Otherwise they are gigantic pests.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 02:58:28 PM »
Dave you should know that. Your old enough  A fn lawyer. 
All insurance is evil.   Whenever a state went mandatory the rates went up.
Then the profits went up.  I'm not against someone making money but when the GOV is involved. Piss on them all!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 03:08:24 PM »
As I've said in the past and will continue to say......

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2012, 05:44:31 PM »
I'd run that story through Snopes or some other fact checking site.  Usually about half of the outrageous stories are true.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2012, 05:46:43 AM »
Since I was with State Farm and it was my claim, they paid quickly. Not sure how it is on the other end of it, but they got their money back and then some!

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2012, 06:59:47 AM »
I have been on the receiving end of insurance companies a few times and have yet to be kissed first if you follow my drift. Three major crashes in 40 years of riding, and evry time some plonker in a car doing their best to kill me. Insurance companies' own statistics show that around 15% of claims are fraudulent yet they treat every case as if you are a thief. Never mind that the policy holder has admitted liability; never mind that witnesses state that the car driver was at fault. they will do everything in their power to delay and deny payment. The method of choice is to starve you into submission. In all three of my incidents I never received a penny in less than three years after the incident. Bear in mind standard procedure for most insurance companies is to cancel your policy at one minute past the due date. Funny that eh? You miss the deadline and you have no coverage, yet you will wait YEARS for YOUR money. I had an extremely serious crash back in '98 which resulted in my being off work for three years. The other driver admitted liabilty yet I had to wait three years to get a dime from them. I and my lawyer met with the judge at a pre trial meeting with a representative from the insurance company. Their sole concern was to have the expert medical witness changed. It went something like this:
Judge: "Now you agreed to this expert at the beginning, but in light of the serious injuries you realize that you are looking at substantial damages. So now you wish to change the expert in the hops of getting a better result. It is not going to happen. How much money have you paid to the injured party so far?"
Insurance rep: (Insert deathly silence).
Judge: "So am I to understand that you have paid NOTHING to this man? We will now have a 15 minute recess while you call your boss and put some money on the table!" (he was NOT a happy man!)
Return after a break and an embarrassed rep says that she has been unable to contact a superior.
Judge: "See you in court!"
At the 11th hour just before the court date I start getting frantic calls asking to settle. That was the sweetest part; turning down offer after offer until they finally asked what I wanted. I told them I got what I wanted. I know a fellow biker who lost a leg about the same time as me, however he was not in a position to wait them out. He settled for $30K. It was bloody hard for me and my family to survive through that period but we managed. so in the scum hall of fame, I would place insurnace companies at the top; above even lawyers, whom everbody hates. I have many tales of this type and could go on for hours but 'nuff said.

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2012, 07:10:12 AM »
I would put insurance blood suckers on the same level in eternal hell as leechy lawyers, pedophiles, rapists, DMV workers, land developers and the IRS. A bunch of hairs on pimples of the asses of society.
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2012, 03:37:50 PM »
I have been on the receiving end of insurance companies a few times and have yet to be kissed first if you follow my drift. Three major crashes in 40 years of riding, and evry time some plonker in a car doing their best to kill me. Insurance companies' own statistics show that around 15% of claims are fraudulent yet they treat every case as if you are a thief. Never mind that the policy holder has admitted liability; never mind that witnesses state that the car driver was at fault. they will do everything in their power to delay and deny payment. The method of choice is to starve you into submission. In all three of my incidents I never received a penny in less than three years after the incident. Bear in mind standard procedure for most insurance companies is to cancel your policy at one minute past the due date. Funny that eh? You miss the deadline and you have no coverage, yet you will wait YEARS for YOUR money. I had an extremely serious crash back in '98 which resulted in my being off work for three years. The other driver admitted liabilty yet I had to wait three years to get a dime from them. I and my lawyer met with the judge at a pre trial meeting with a representative from the insurance company. Their sole concern was to have the expert medical witness changed. It went something like this:
Judge: "Now you agreed to this expert at the beginning, but in light of the serious injuries you realize that you are looking at substantial damages. So now you wish to change the expert in the hops of getting a better result. It is not going to happen. How much money have you paid to the injured party so far?"
Insurance rep: (Insert deathly silence).
Judge: "So am I to understand that you have paid NOTHING to this man? We will now have a 15 minute recess while you call your boss and put some money on the table!" (he was NOT a happy man!)
Return after a break and an embarrassed rep says that she has been unable to contact a superior.
Judge: "See you in court!"
At the 11th hour just before the court date I start getting frantic calls asking to settle. That was the sweetest part; turning down offer after offer until they finally asked what I wanted. I told them I got what I wanted. I know a fellow biker who lost a leg about the same time as me, however he was not in a position to wait them out. He settled for $30K. It was bloody hard for me and my family to survive through that period but we managed. so in the scum hall of fame, I would place insurnace companies at the top; above even lawyers, whom everbody hates. I have many tales of this type and could go on for hours but 'nuff said.

Wow, you guys really get #$%*ed over, i have only ever made 2 claims, 1 for an accident my wife had, payed out and given the wreck in 2 weeks, my GSXR1100 was stolen in Sydney, that claim took a little longer because the cops had to do their bit, i was still payed out on that one in less than 3 months....
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 10:00:58 AM »
Most insurance companies are just plain unethical and evil.

I got hit by a young girl driving while talking on a cell phone.  She crossed the center line of a 2 lane country road with no shoulders after she swerved off her side, over corrected and shot directly into my car.   Luckily, we were both relatively unharmed.   The DPS officer couldn't believe that we were unhurt.
He (the DPS) officer put her squarely at fault.   There just happened to be 3 witnesses that saw the accident.  All 3 gave the same story:  girl swerved off the road, over-corrected and slammed into me.

What happens ?   State Farm tried not to pay.  They had her claim that she swerved to avoid another car (that wasn't there)    There was no mention of the car on accident report because there was not one.

I didn't hire a lawyer - thought it would be an open and shut case.      3 months later, still nothing.   I even got hung up on by the State Farm agent I was dealing with.   

Then, my boss came up with a solution.    I worked for him at his sign shop.     We have a 48' trailer that sat adjacent to the street that our shop was on.
There is a tremendous amount of traffic on that street.     I called the agent and asked if he would mind if I put a large 40 foot banner up that stated his name and his company and the way I was being treated by them.    He called my bluff and said to go ahead.

The next day we put that 40'  banner up on the side of the trailer.    I had a check waiting for me at his office by lunch.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2012, 10:57:31 AM »
Awesomesauce.  8)

Did I mention I totally loathe State Farm like Herpes and Hautavirus?

Not a peep from them two years after being hit by their insured driver on the highway, they'll be paying. I'll have to wait though, I am glad I don't need the money or didn't really get waylaid.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 05:53:18 AM »
 Thanks for sharing all the horror stories regarding insurance company. I guess doesn't matter who is the insurance company. Just have to hire an ambulance chaser....

 I just wonder one thing, how those insurance company folks sleep at night? I don't think I can do the job.


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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 07:40:07 AM »
That story about Progressive has been circulating for a while. To me, it asks more questions than it answers. Keep in mind you are reading one party's version of events and, although tragic, is likely to be biased.
I have been happy overall with my Progressive motorcycle policy. They are one of the few companies I found that allow stated value on vintage bikes - a real plus if you have a nice restored ride.
My accident over two years ago is still unresolved. The other driver (who was at fault) also had State Farm and they have been complete phuckers for my attorney to deal with.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 07:42:37 AM »
I know I couldn't! I understand its necessity because I can't depend on everyone who drives a vehicle to compensate me for damages lest something occurs but in the end, they get their money back. It's like a casino...

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 04:28:03 PM »
While stopped at a red light in my 2 week old Honda Civic, I was rear-ended by a young girl driving a Subaru WRX
at approximately 60mph, and pushed under a pickup truck.
No real damage to the truck, but my Civic and the Subaru were totaled, BUT we all walked away with not even a scratch.
I just thnak my stars that I was not on my motorcycle.

ANyways, her insurance company took 4 months to pay me the Book Value of the Civic and then
refused to pay for the rental car I used. Good old USAA insurance agents were very rude and crude,
but once a lawyer offered to sue them the rental was paid for.

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 07:08:14 PM »
I got rearended in my 66 Volvo 122S at a traffic light at my workplace.
Mother and two kids, one of which was  learning disability or very low IQ. Lady, had Farmers Insurance and they were real ba***rds. Lady pushed my car 12 feet into the intersection, i was stopped. Car had a bent frame and had a buckled upper quarterpanel on left side  that was indented 2 inches. Rear bumper mangled but it had a couple previous dents. I had been restoring and driving the car for about 20 months and had lots of sweat equity and new parts making it mechanically sound. Took the cops forever to show. They first asked what work I had done to the car, trying to establish its value hoping they could write it off for cheap. A page and one half of major work,  including $1000 to replace the floor pan and suspension bushings and those ideas evaporated. They wanted to claim betterment on the chrome bumper as well as only pay part of the paint work for the side that was going to require bodywork after the frame was straightened. (Unibody design)
My insurance offered to repair it and go after them for the repairs when I told them the bull they were trying to pull. They did and I was happy with how they treated me.
I wish the medical side were 1/2 as easy.
 I developed severe neuropathy with numbness and pain down the right arm to the fingertips within an hour of the accident due to whiplash. It was off work a few days saw the neurosurgeon the next day. Luckily no surgery and intense pain was only a week in length, dealt with six months of muscle spasms and pain before it started to subside and spent a year in PT before the neuropathy calmed to tolerable levels. Their medical expert who examined me a year after the accident claimed it should have been subsided in 3 months and my lawyer was one of the poorest excuses for a blood sucker there was. We went to arbitration and I ended up footing the bill for 1/2 my care and the lawyer took a 1/3 of the settlement which was less than 6k for medical bills, pain & suffering and the wife and kids portion of the same. Medical bills were over 12k.
The last two fingers of my right hand still are numb and tingly to this day.
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