Author Topic: Diepppe (Read 2277 times)

demon78 · « **on:** August 19, 2012, 04:31:01 AM »

19 th August 1942
Remember, brothers.
Bill the demon.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2012, 02:39:15 PM »

Did you read "Green Beach"? It's about the part of the raid that successfully captured the secret magnetron. A babysitter was sent along with the radar expert with the explicit instruction that said expert was under no circumstance allowed to be taken alive.

demon78 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2012, 04:14:48 PM »

No KC I didn't but I wouldn't doubt it, I wonder when the "Boffin" figured it out and how he twitchy he got. I met people that had been close to it and were bitter about it. Most of them felt that Mountbatten was a glory hound that sent people to their death for no good reason and then complained they weren't up to the task because they were colonials.
Bill the demon.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2012, 04:20:12 PM »

The "colonials" attitude seemed to be found in all of the branches of the service for sure. Even after the Somme and Vimy, Barker and Bishop.

demon78 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2012, 04:48:32 AM »

Well we had a lot of Brit's in our squadron and the people that worked were good people, I mean just as twisted and weird as the rest of us but the ones of a certain "Class" were arrogant, supercilious #$%*s, and apt to mention colonies mind you we also had Yanks that were like that as well.
Bill the demon.

72 yellow · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2012, 04:57:54 PM »

Quote from: demon73 on August 20, 2012, 04:48:32 AM

Well we had a lot of Brit's in our squadron and the people that worked were good people, I mean just as twisted and weird as the rest of us but the ones of a certain "Class" were arrogant, supercilious #$%*s, and apt to mention colonies mind you we also had Yanks that were like that as well.
Bill the demon.

We were colonies at one time too.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2012, 05:27:30 PM »

I remember hearing something about that spot of bother in 1776.

CrankyOldGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2012, 06:07:47 PM »

For you history buffs. Leger's Corner, New Brunswick was renamed Dieppe in 1946 in honor of the Dieppe Raid. It is the fourth largest city in NB and the largest francophone majority city in Canada outside the province of Quebec.

Harry O.

BobbyR · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2012, 06:44:17 PM »

This may sound Yankish of me, but I never heard of this. Now I need to look it up.

BobbyR · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2012, 06:50:31 PM »

I did look it up. Looked like a bone head move. Not enough air support and Naval bombardment.

demon78 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2012, 03:47:38 AM »

We are famous for not learning history.
Bill the demon.

70CB750 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2012, 05:27:45 AM »

Dieppe experience was critical for 6/6/44.

If you want to see suicidal operations, look at some Stalin's stunts - he did not give rat's a$$ about soldier's lifes.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2012, 08:45:25 AM »

Stalin had raw manpower to feed to the guns. Britain didn't.

demon78 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2012, 09:58:53 AM »

Bobby not tweaking you, just pointing out that we as a group periodically are looked down upon by our allies much the same as the Poles, Australians, Kiwis etc were at various times, considered "cannon fodder" as it were.
Bill the demon.

72 yellow · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2012, 04:41:49 PM »

Bill,
Wasn't it a brit general who said after the first day of the Battle of the Somme and 57,000 casualties that "Perhaps they just didn't try hard enough"? I read about the regiment from Newfoundland that was lost.

70CB750 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2012, 04:57:14 PM »

French were not better, same for Germans, Austria, Russia - Americans whenthey joined the fight werent different. Frenchies looked in surprise at Dough boys attacking with the spirit of 1914 - and same useless losses.

And the prelude of mechanical war was quite visible in that little inconvenience rolling back and forth over Virginia and East Coast in 1860-65. Nobody learned any lessons from it and everybody bled out in The Big War.

CrankyOldGuy · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2012, 05:06:07 PM »

The Dominion of Newfoundland lost a whole generation that day. Ironically it occurred on July 1st which is Canada Day, but in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador it is also known as Memorial Day.

Interesting quote:

"It was a magnificent display of trained and disciplined valour, and its assault only failed of success because dead men can advance no further."

Major-General Sir Beauvoir De Lisle referring to the Newfoundland Regiment at Beaumont-Hamel

Harry O.

BobbyR · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2012, 05:33:49 PM »

Quote from: demon73 on August 21, 2012, 09:58:53 AM

Bobby not tweaking you, just pointing out that we as a group periodically are looked down upon by our allies much the same as the Poles, Australians, Kiwis etc were at various times, considered "cannon fodder" as it were.
Bill the demon.

Not at all Bill. My Father in Law was 1st wave at Normandy. The British Commanders had their boys fire from cover and then advance. The Americans just pushed the Men forward gaining yardage like a Football game.

I am an American I am used to being looked down on. I am also from NY, so I am double looked down upon. You get used to it. Oh wait, I ride a Vintage rice burner so I guess that makes it three of a kind.

FuZZie · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2012, 06:48:30 PM »

I think you'll have to agree that a lot of brave men hit those beaches with the full understanding they were cannon fodder. Just be glad they had the guts to get it done or we could be living in a very different world. I imagine each and every man had to face personal terror just to get off the landing craft.

72 yellow · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2012, 06:01:52 AM »

Quote from: FuZZie on August 21, 2012, 06:48:30 PM

I think you'll have to agree that a lot of brave men hit those beaches with the full understanding they were cannon fodder. Just be glad they had the guts to get it done or we could be living in a very different world. I imagine each and every man had to face personal terror just to get off the landing craft.

Nowhere to go but foreward.

wardenerd · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2012, 05:56:14 PM »

ANZACS at Gillipoli cannon fodder. see the movie Paths of Glory Kirk Douglas masterpiece on the French at war

70CB750 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »

There was Gallipoli movie too - Kevin Costner??

72 yellow · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2012, 06:26:53 PM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on August 22, 2012, 06:05:50 PM

There was Gallipoli movie too - Kevin Costner??

Mel Gibson.

BobbyR · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2012, 07:09:52 PM »

Maybe we should stop glamorizing War. It is not very pretty in person.

lostmykeys · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2012, 08:16:08 PM »

Amen, Bobby R.
History repeats itself and heartache brings new beginnings.
What would happen if the U.S. brought back the draft?

wardenerd · « **Reply #25 on:** August 23, 2012, 05:15:45 AM »

Bobby R "It is good that war is so terrible or we would grow too fond of it " R E Lee may not be the exact quote

BobbyR · « **Reply #26 on:** August 23, 2012, 05:39:54 AM »

Quote from: lostmykeys on August 22, 2012, 08:16:08 PM

Amen, Bobby R.
History repeats itself and heartache brings new beginnings.
What would happen if the U.S. brought back the draft?

Keys we would have marching in the streets like the 1960s.

BobbyR · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2012, 06:01:14 AM »

Quote from: wardenerd on August 23, 2012, 05:15:45 AM

Bobby R "It is good that war is so terrible or we would grow too fond of it " R E Lee may not be the exact quote

If anyone would kinow it would be General Lee. He was technically a Traitor for a short time. He was one of the finest US Generals and a Man of principal.

demon78 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2012, 07:06:27 AM »

Bobby my intent was not glorifying war, it was at the most to plant a seed in my country men's and others minds that when it goes pear shaped in Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and like that, they don't hop on the patriotic train and say we have to do something about it, because at least my leader has no goddam idea what is at stake and how many will die so that he looks good for his friends. The other thing is Dieppe was a disaster not a glorious battle and the so called leaders and allies should have taken responsibility for it.
Bill the demon.

BobbyR · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2012, 10:31:33 AM »

Yes Bill, it is easy to send Men to be killed and maimed when you don't have to live through it yourself.

BeSeeingYou · « **Reply #30 on:** August 23, 2012, 06:44:59 PM »

Quote from: demon73 on August 21, 2012, 09:58:53 AM

Bobby not tweaking you, just pointing out that we as a group periodically are looked down upon by our allies much the same as the Poles, Australians, Kiwis etc were at various times, considered "cannon fodder" as it were.
Bill the demon.

I don't think you have to look too far to see that the Brits and Americans where just as prone to using their own troops as cannon fodder on occasion. Monty's Operation Market Garden comes to mind where he had his ass handed to him by a bunch of understrength/refitting/ support troop/ invalid formations of the Wehrmacht.
Our own esteemed General Patton conceived of a brilliant operation to send 300+ men 50 miles behind German lines to free POW's at Oflag Stalag 13 near Hammelburg (Yeah I know it sounds like Hogan's Heros but it is true)

. The fact that his son-in-law was at the camp did not play any part in the operation.

All but a few dozen troops in the operation where killed or captured.
The folly of war or maybe to be more accurate the folly of our leaders as they are the ones who bring it about due to neglect, incompetence, ego, or the worsts of all reasons the grab for power, influence and wealth.

azuredesign · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2012, 12:50:43 AM »

Quote from: BobbyR on August 22, 2012, 07:09:52 PM

Maybe we should stop glamorizing War. It is not very pretty in person.

Very reflective and sobering point.
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Author Topic: Diepppe (Read 2277 times)