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Electrical most likey culprit?.....THANX
« on: July 15, 2012, 05:48:30 AM »
Last month I was riding to work and my battery got shorted to the ground. By the time I realized it (wrench got loose under the seat) the battery was fried. I replaced the battery. Drove it home and found that it was flat again. Charged it for a couple of days on my trickle charger, fired it up, ran fine, but the battery again went flat after about 50 miles.

Took it to the shop (electrical stuff is not my forte). The mechanic has tested wiring with his meters and has not found the problem. Personally I suspect the alternator is fried....but I'm willing to entertain any suggestions from the board.

Other stuff: The wiring is not stock, someone has been in there before I acquired the bike, fuse box was replaced with inline spade fuses...none of which were blown BTW....and it's a general rats nest in there. Every thing seems to work fine, turn signals, running lights, head lights all ok and she starts and runs fine.....but she ain't charging. :(

Thoughts/suggestions?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 04:22:29 PM by Cuts Crooked »
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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 06:11:53 AM »
Is this the K8 in your signature?  The reg/rec unit may have been fried when you shorted the battery.  The other possibility is you could have fried either the red/white wire from the rec or the black wire from the reg.  This will give you a couple of places to start looking.


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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 10:35:32 AM »
Got a multimeter?  If not, get one, preferably digital.

Or, you could keep replacing parts until it works like it used to.

It's either a logical diagnosis technique, or incremental part substitution.   Your choice.
(I've found that praying, staring at, or happy thoughts have little influence over machines.)   ;D

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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 11:07:10 AM »
TT I allways get a kick out of your answers. Just so down to earth ;D To the point.. I wish I could think of stuff like that when I'm here in the shop talking to my brother in law ;)
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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 02:29:10 PM »
Well gang, I don't know horse manure from apple butter when it comes to electrical stuff! :-[ I actually own  digital multimeter but I couldn't tell you one lead from another on it, let alone use it to diagnose anything. :-[ That's why I took it to a mechanic. Unfortunately he's Suzuki trained Mech. So I was hoping to give him ideas by picking your collective brains. :)
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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 02:55:20 PM »
You might wewant to check these links from Yahoo Search. One's a .pdf troubleshooting chart the other for t-shooting of Charging system.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSYiOwNQJw8Ah_dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByZ3RtN3J1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=12jr5u078/EXP=1342417826/**http%3a//www.electrosport.com/media/pdf/fault-finding-diagram.pdf

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSYiOwNQJw8AiPdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBydHRjbmRzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=12pp8qth1/EXP=1342417826/**http%3a//www.electrexworld.co.uk/pdfs/Troubleshooting-3P-PMG-%26-RR.pdf

If they don't want to open try cut and paste of just the address part starting with www in each link.

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Re: Electrical...most llikey culprit?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 03:00:32 PM »
Post a picture of your multimeter face.  Most all of them have a black lead and a red lead.

Perhaps the root is that you don't want to work on it?  Just asking.  Not everyone wants to learn a new skill.

I can tailor instructions to most anyone that wants to learn or has the will to get it fixed.   It seems like a trained person should be able to track down a problem, even if it isn't a Suzuki.

The first step is problem verification/definition.  "It's broke" doesn't relay much information beside personal dissatisfaction.  However, reported voltage numbers begin to tell a story.
Have you fully charged the battery, via a separate charger?   Measured what happens to it when the engine is running?

If the wiring is not stock and no one has an accurate wire diagram for it, it's going to take intimate knowledge of your unique bike to effect a repair.  Not even general instructions may apply if they reference wires or wire colors you don't have.  I can tell you bit by bit what has to happen in each part of the circuit.  But, that is a lot of info, and much of it won't be necessary.  Troubleshooting is a progressive affair, when one bit of information leads to the next query, and so on, until it is either fixed or you know some portion of the system isn't doing what it should.  None of us are going to be able to wave our hands and say look at this broken bit, without some information to go on.  Shorting out the battery is tantamount to throwing a wrench into the crankcase while it is running.  You aren't going to fix it before at least looking at it, taking some measurements, and comparing those to known good components.

Basic electricity is not hard to understand if you have the will.  Short of that, if you can follow instructions, and relay information gathered, we can get you going again.  There just isn't that much to it, really.

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Re: Electrical most likey culprit?.....THANX
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2012, 04:42:53 PM »
Got it running! With thanx to Two Tired and everyone who chimed it!

The mechanic, who is now on my "never again" list, replaced the regulator, got 12.5 volts and called it good.

So......I purchased a Ricks Regulator/rectifier from Bike Bandit, purchased some spools of proper color coded wire at the auto parts store, drug out my multimeter, and went to work. First up...tracing wires and replacing them with proper color code! At some point a PO had been in there and simply used whatever he at hand.(some of it with melted insulation) Which created a rats nest of non code wiring that took an entire day to sort out and replace. Lots of new wire and bullet connectors involved! :o I did keep the in-line rubber fuse holders though, very convienent upgrade!

While doing this I discovered that my digital multimeter was not working..........out came the old analog multimeter with the sweep dial face, it did what I needed it too! :) Pulled out the new voltage regulator and the rectifier and replaced them with the Ricks unit, fired it up......12.8V at idle, 13.6 at 2000RPM (12.8 was the best the Suzuki mech could get at any RPM  ::) ) 13.8 at 3500RPM! 8)

Wrapped the wiring harness up properly to make it neat under that side cover & I have put a little over 1000 miles on it since this was done and things are good! ;D

Unexpected side effect..........over two MPG better gas mileage!

Hey! Anyone need a brand spanking new stock Voltage Regulator fer a 750K8?
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