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Offline grumpy

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Neutral light stays partlially lit after rain/washing...
« on: September 07, 2012, 07:25:52 AM »
My 750K3 has seen some water over the last couple of days from rain and then a good wash.

Started it up this AM and the neutral light wouldn't go out completely when in gear; instead it dimmed by about 2/3. Stayed that way for about 30mins.

So then, if I'm reading the wiring diagram correctly, the N switch closes the circuit to common ground when the bike is in N. Right?

So somewhere there had to be some water causing a weak connection to ground. Is that right?


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Re: Neutral light stays partlially lit after rain/washing...
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 08:29:26 PM »
I had this same problem on my 750, but i was using those led indicator lamps for the neutral light. I never figured out what it was, because I gave up and installed the original lamps.   the neutral lamp works fine now, but I have to wonder if it's just because the original style has a higher resistance, and takes more wattage to light up.
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Re: Neutral light stays partlially lit after rain/washing...
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 09:31:27 PM »
The Neutral switch does connect to ground when in Neutral. There is a little switch contact on the plunger detent that helps you "feel" for N with your toe. If the O-ring around the switch gets old and hard and shrinks some (most do), it leaks a bit and the Neutral light may never turn on because the switch moves upward by the shrunken O-ring depth. This prevents the contacts from touching.

On the other hand, if the epoxy seal around the plastic part of the switch has gotten brittle and cracked a bit, water seeps in by capillary action and partially shorts out the switch. This can make for a dim Neutral indication when you're not in Neutral.

If you use LED lamps, the slight leakage current thru the oil itself, between the contacts in the switch, can make an LED light up almost all the way when still in gear.

If water is getting in, consider giving it a good, hard, hot run for an hour or more to dry it out, then let it cool off 'till the next day. Get some clear epoxy and spread a bead of it around the original epoxy bead on the switch's lower face to help seal it off again. This usually works. 

Of course, this is easier said than done, unless the engine is out on the floor somewhere. :)
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Re: Neutral light stays partlially lit after rain/washing...
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 03:21:32 AM »
Yup, water is extremely conductive.  I would dry the switch area completely using a rag and then heat gun if you have one, a hair dryer will work as well.  Once dry check to see if the light goes out completely, if it does then using dielectric grease coat the wire connection and the switch outer surface with it.  The grease will prevent the ingress of water which eventually creates the false ground, causing the light to glow when the bike is not in neutral.

However the grease will collect sand and grit thrown up by the front tire over time and you will need to remove it occaisionaly or it will look like ass and will only get worse.  I usually wipe the grease off when I give the bike a wash and reapply new stuff each time.  If you don't clean it off regularly the dirt will trap water and the false ground will reoccur again. :o