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CB750K - Where to begin?
« on: September 24, 2012, 10:44:36 AM »
Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I just finally purchased a 78 CB750K. Im wanting to do it up in a cafe style or maybe a brat. I was hopping to spend a little more & buy a bike that was running good so I wouldn't have to do a lot of mechanical work. The day a bought the bike she started right up & was running good. However since I got her home she has been hell to get started. I have now drained the battery twice trying to get her started. I just have a hell of a time getting her to warm up. However once warm she seams to run good. I also noticed a bit of an oil leak coming down the kick stand. And yesterday I noticed some gas leaking out of one of the nipples under the one of the carbs.

So this is my first street bike & i don't have a lot of experience working on them, but i do love working with my hands & Im excited to do what ever work I can do myself on her. So there in lies the question. With everything I have already said, were do I begin? I obviously want to get her in good running order before I start on the cosmetic.

I have attached some pics so you can see what I'm working with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers~
Tony

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 10:55:28 AM »
Carb clean and a good tune-up if it is a new to you,unknown machine. Make sure the inside of the tank is clean also. Best to get it running well then make some changes. Good luck on it Tony and welcome to the Forum.  PS-Don't talk oil  ;D   8)

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 11:18:47 AM »
A good way to start is with a thorough cleaning. This helps you get to know your bike.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 11:26:05 AM »
welcome to the forum.  you've come to the right place.
download the shop manual from the forum here, and get yourself a clymer book for your 750K8.
place the clymer on the back of your ittershay so you can read about the maintenance procedures.
take your shop manual to the garage and follow it...exactly.

your carb bowl gas leak will be addressed when you clean your tank and carbs.
your start issues will be addressed when you clean/sync your carbs/accel pump, and fine tune your fast idle cam & timing.  dont beat up your starter in the meantime.  ;)
follow the maintenance steps, one by one. take your time. do them right. do them well. they are easy to learn.  get it tuned and running before any mods so you know where you started.
I was also self-taught with guidance from the forum.

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 11:41:06 AM »
Motor first, everything else is just gravy.

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 11:44:51 AM »
One thing I notice on your bike Tony that is not stock for a 78 are your carbs,the ones you have were used on 76 or earlier machines.Yours should be the pumper style.Also your muffler clamps are of the older style. Rear wheel is a 16" 'Harley'. Post up your engine serial number for kicks and lets verify exactly what year engine you have for starters. Identifying what parts you have is all part of the battle.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 12:16:02 PM »
Hondaman book is good to have also.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 12:53:05 PM »
your carbs,the ones you have were used on 76 or earlier machines.Yours should be the pumper style..

Post up your engine serial number for kicks and lets verify exactly what year engine you have for starters. Identifying what parts you have is all part of the battle.
good catch  ;D
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2012, 02:00:40 PM »
Wow thanks for the warm welcome! Im surprised to get a response that quickly! :)

Flybox1 >your start issues will be addressed when you clean/sync your carbs/accel pump, and fine tune your fast idle cam & timing - This sounds pretty intimidating? Are these instructions detailed in the shop manual?

ekpent You mentioned all of these different parts on my bike. Do you think I have picked a bad bike to fix up with all of these different parts? Or is this common with bikes this old? So if the carbs are different will the maintenance procedure for cleaning them be the same for the 78 shop manual? Or will i need a different manual? And you said my back wheel came off a Harley??

ekpent as you requested the serial for the engine is: CB760E-2261164 & the frame is: CB750K2855262
Im not sure if this is a bad sign all ready since the numbers don't match?

Also you all mentioned getting the clymer. Is there anywhere to download these? Or do I need to buy the book? Also Is this necessary or does the shop manual cover everything?

Thanks again for all the help!

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 02:14:23 PM »
The clymer book is detailed, but its a condensed version of the shop manual.  the shop manual is all you really need.  i printed mine out and stuck it in a binder i keep in my work space.  it can be downloaded here on the forum.
dont let it be intimidating  ;D 
carbs, timing, accel pump, and fast idle cam - these are some basic systems that you will need to learn and know as they directly effect your CB's starting and performance.  I learned a lot by reading the shop manual and clymer, but i got the most help talking to members here.  read first, though, so you have a basic understanding.  your pumper style carbs do not have an accel pump or fast idle cam as listed in my response above. 
jump right to the periodical maintenance section of the shop manual. pg 170.  do each item listed under the 3000 mi service.  if you dont know how to do it, jump to that section in the manual. 

bikes with mismatched parts arent uncommon at all.  yours should be fine.  it really depends on what you're going to do with it.  if a total restore to factory is the plan, then you probably should have passed on this one.  ;D if making a bike that is yours, to learn to ride, wrench, and have some fun on, then dont sweat it.
My 78K has a few odd parts, too...
« Last Edit: September 25, 2012, 02:24:33 PM by flybox1 »
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 02:44:45 PM »
Flybox1 thanks for your help! And no Im not trying to do a factory restore. I just want to clean everything up, get her running good & looking awesome! I just printed the manual, I'm excited to get started. Im sure Ill need more help as i move along. Thanks again!

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2012, 03:10:24 PM »
Hey Tony. Here is a chart that plots the serial numbers. A quick look if I am correct may indicate your engine is a 1973 . Kind of fits with the exhaust and carbs etc.There are some differences between a 73 and 78 engine. You will need to look at a K model manual when doing the carbs as well as there are quite a few differences between the standard and the pumpers. See if your bike is running a 530 chain or the larger 630 it would of had in 78.Earlier bikes like a 73 had the smaller 530. The 16" 'Harley' rear rim was a poular conversion back in the day to sit a little lower and able to use a wider tire.Custom stuff you know.   http://www.hondachopper.com/engine/engine_timeline/timeline.html
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2012, 09:27:43 PM »
Welcome. Having the earlier motor is not necessarily a bad thing,too bad it's not a '69!

A full tuneup is in order. And what is your cold start up procedure?  My bikes do not like throttle when starting.  You should:

Turn on fuel and ignition, set carbs on full choke and crank motor. When it fires, give some throttle and reduce choke. Will take two minutes to warm up.

And get a good battery if yours is old. Good luck.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2012, 09:39:35 PM »
Oil coming down the kickstand I will bet $100 is from the chain oiler. If mine isn't all the way in it will leave a puddle on the floor.



As far as modding the bike. Put some different bars on it or clip ons and call it a day. It's a decent looking bike as is IMO
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 10:11:35 AM »
ekpent, So my carbs are not the pumper style then? What year should i be looking under for the carbs then? The frame says its a 750K. So is the motor a 1973 750K? Also pardon my ignorance, but how do I determine which type of chain I have? Or do i need to take it off & measure it?

Also the back wheel is a 16" Harley. What size wheel was originally used?

Stev-o I haven't come up with a specific procedure for starting up cold. I originally was setting full choke, but it would die right after i let it off. Then I tried just a partial choke. I have also tried pulling back the throttle  a couple times & then starting with no choke. -These were all different days I might ad. Usually i can get her started, but just takes awhile, to long actually. Most of the time Ill try, give up, come back then she will fire right up? . Yesterday when i tried pulling the throttle back before starting i ended up getting white smoke so I'm guessing I flooded her. Also I have been having trouble with the battery going dead from taking so long to start her. The battery doesn't look that old, but would this be an indication that it needs replaced?

Per Flybox advice I have been trying to give the starter a rest & use the kick as much as possible until I get into the carbs.

Killersoundz I was thinking it might be the chain oiler. I will try & adjust it. As far as modding her im thinking, blubman bars & a 2 up brat style seat from Dime City. But first things first I want her running good & staring easy.


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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 10:21:18 AM »
re: rear wheel. The 16" conversion was popular, though doesn't do anything for me. It was just the rim and spokes that were changed, not the hub. So its not a "wheel" as that would include the hub. The original was a 2.5 x 17" rim with spokes to match, laced to your existing hub.

As a practical matter if you're looking for a salvage part, you may end up buying a whole wheel, incl hub, as that's how a salvage yard may want to sell it.

You're limited to 77/78Ks as they were the ones with the 17s. Prior Ks had 18s. You can make an 18 fit but you get into more issues.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 10:26:37 AM »
But first things first I want her running good & staring easy.
OK...but you gotta jump in.
your battery should read 12.4V with your bike off.  what does yours read?
Service your carbs - this means take them off and apart for a good cleaning. check/set your float height. pull emulsion tubes and clear them of debris.  unclog your main and pilot jets(make not of the jet sizes stamped on them for later).  blow out all passages.  they need to be spotless.  do a bench sync of your carb slides. reinstall them on your bike ensuring all airbox and engine boots are air tight.
drain your tank.  rinse it with some gas and see what crap falls out.  if its bad, you'll at lease need to add an inline filter until you can properly clean your tank.  keeps debris out of your freshly cleaned carbs  ;)
new or fully charged battery
set your valve lash
new plugs (NGK D8EA's) properly gapped
wires trimmed and new 5ohm caps
clean and gap your points.

then....try and start it.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 10:41:24 AM »
Normally the carbs will have a model number stamped on the bodies. Pretty much all the same from 71-76 in your style but were different size main jets etc over the years. When you have seen enough chains you can tell quickly a 530 from a bigger 630. If running a 530 chain with a 73 engine in a 78 frame there cold be some alignment isses if no mods are made. Maybe take a pic of the chain close to the back sprocket and we may be able to tell.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 11:40:46 AM »
Flybox Im definitely ready to jump in, tho i have to wait for the weekend. & just to be clear everything you detailed about servicing the carbs is in the honda manual? & my carbs are of the older style 1973? WIll the instructions for serving the carbs on page 74 work for my style of carbs. It looks correct to me however when looking at mine im missing the throttle top screw?
Thank you for the info.  I will go completely through the list. Also what about some of the tools required for the carbs & timing. Can I rent a vacume gauge set & the timing tester? Maybe I could get a single vacume gauge & do them one at a time? - I guess i cross that bridge when I get there?

Ekpent I have attached a pic of the chain & one more close shot of the carbs.


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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 11:45:26 AM »
get a set of 4 vacuum gauges.
you'll be chasing your tail with just a single  ;D
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 03:02:37 PM »
Chain looks like a 530 but not 100% sure with the pic.78 should have a 630.  Search around a little about early engines in late frames or someone who has dealt with it hopeflly will chime in with the nuances. As for the carbs any clymer-shop manual from 71-76 will civer those.  They really are pretty simple and basic and a good bench synch will get you going. Do not mess with the big nuts at the top of the adjusters for now,just clean the jets ,slide and bodies well as well as all the passages.
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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2012, 06:12:16 PM »
Ekpent I didn't catch that about taking the pic close to the back sprocket. I'll upload that tomorrow. As far as alignment issues I didn't feel anything wrong when I've riden it. - that I know of at least.

By the way do any parts stores rent out those syncing gauges? Or do you think I really should just purchase them?

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 07:41:55 PM »
Take your time and learn the basics first. Save some  $$ for some unexpected expenses.  Saw that in a fortune Cookie once-Changed my Life--   :P

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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2012, 08:24:48 AM »
ekpent - Yeah Im getting started on the carbs, fuel system & the basic tune up on Saturday & Im just trying to make sure i have everything I'm goin to need. As for the vacuum gauges to sync the carbs, do you think this is something I can wait on?

Also I have uploaded another shot of the back sprocket to see if you could possibly tel which chain I have.

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Re: CB750K - Where to begin?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2012, 08:47:15 AM »
Still looks like a #530 chain. Another way to tell is a stock 78 running a 630 chain has a rear sprocket with 41 teeth and most of the earlier bikes that run the 530 have a 48 tooth. There can be some variation if a person changed the gearing. You may see the tooth number stamped on the sprocket when cleaned or give them a count.