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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2013, 10:50:04 AM »
Mad,

Love the engine. I'm running the same carb with similar mods. I supplied my final (ish) tuning for jets and needles to Mike. I'm running a wideband to tune the carbs, but still tweaking a little. I've got almost 900 miles on my setup. A few things that I found (trial and error, no real science); the carbs prefer to idle on the pig rich side, the supplied needle is stupid lean (even at lowest clip position), I like the throttle transition better with the accelerator pump kicking on just as I come off idle. I'm still having trouble with the carbs leaning out on a WOT quick change in throttle position (not the detonation kind), and tuning the finish stroke of the accelerator pump. If there's anything I can help you with, drop me a line. Had I not had the wideband, I would've been up a proverbial creek. Looking forward to more installments!
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2013, 11:46:00 AM »
Thanks man! I'm looking forward to playing around with it.

I've read elsewhere on this forum that the supplied needs are too lean and am going to pick up 9DZH03 needles which should richen it up a little.

I'm going to be reading up on tuning the RS carbs and am hoping to get on a dyno shortly after I get this thing wrapped up and in a riding condition.

Did you have to change the main's at all? I wonder if different pilots would fix the rich idling?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2013, 12:40:34 PM by madScientist »
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2013, 11:57:09 AM »
In other news...i'm dropping the body parts off at the painter on Saturday.

The primary color is going to be "Lexus Spectra Blue" as seen on the below shelby.

The accent color is going to be "Aluminum" like how the cylinder head is painted. I really REALLY liked Branden's T.O.A. paint scheme. It's classy yet tough and would like to do something similar...and by similar I mean the same only with blue in place of the orange and aluminum in place of the black.

I'll make sure I clear it with him first...dont want to pee in anyones Koolaid.
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70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
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83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2013, 01:27:26 PM »
Mad,

Keep the stock 17.5 pilots (if you, by chance, wanna try 20's, I have a set). I have the fuel screw intentionally set rich, as I found the bike idled better that way and "hunted" less at partial throttle application. I'm running that 9DZHO3 needle, don't even bother with what comes with it. I brought the main jet down to 122.5, from the supplied 125, and may do so again, as I'm really just now tuning the upper end (didn't feel comfortable reefing on it during the break in period). Thankfully, the main jet and needle jet changes can all be done with the carbs on the bike. The pilot jet is another story, as you gotta pull the bowls.

If you're using the Honda push/pull cable, you're going to have to shorten both cables and install new ends (bought mine from DCC), as well as have tiny quadruple jointed fingers to get them on. The throw is reversed from the stock carbs, and it may make you think in circles. Pay close attention to cable routing; I ran both cables from the throttle, over the top of my headlight, inside the fork, then down the left side, above the tank left hand cushion, outside the triangle closest to the carbs, then to the carbs. This is almost perfect routing for my bar placement, but should've run one cable through the triangle. You should have no binding, you must run both cable, and you cannot make the spring return easier (even though you're gonna want to). Also, just installing the cables will give you fits. To get one of the ferrules to go into the carb housing, while clearing the accelerator pump, I had to drop the #2 float bowl, and remove the accelerator rod. After fitting those carbs to the new insulators, you thought the rest would be easy, right?!?! ;)

Here's a pic of the front routing:


The wideband O2 sensor is a bung welded into my exhaust collector that supplies AFR's at all throttle positions. It cost something like $175, and paid for itself IMHO.

Here's the display, on the right:


Hope to save you some of my headaches!

Seth
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2013, 01:48:21 PM »
Thanks again! I am using a DCC cable set. I'm considering looking into the Mikuni cable set just so i dont have to shorten and rework stuff.

I picked up an AEM wideband on your recommendation. I'm also going to use it on my other whips. That thing is going to be invaluable i believe!
 
You're scaring me a little :-D

I was thinking it'd be a zip zip back together and testing...but is anything ever that easy?

Your bike looks stellar man!
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2013, 02:33:37 PM »
I have faith that you'll have it done in an afternoon, you're already 22 steps ahead of where I was. That wideband is the bees knees. After seeing how easy it was with an almost unknown carb, I also purchased one for the shop that will "float" to a few other bikes. I'll get off your build thread. Your bike is gonna be wicked!

Seth
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1974 CB450
1974 CB360
1976 136' Ocean Going Tug

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2013, 04:30:53 PM »
Looking great....subscribed
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2013, 09:26:18 AM »
Dropped all the parts off at the painter on Saturday. He said I should have them back this coming weekend which would be stellar!

I went through the Mikuni's and set all the floats at 17mm. The pilot screws are set at 2 full turns out from seat and I balanced the slides this morning. They were really close and probably could have been put in but why chance the frustration? I swapped out the needles for 9DZH03 needles set at the 2nd groove from the bottom of the needle. I think I would rather have it running initially rich than lean while I dial it in.

After sorting through some of the left over parts I noticed a bag I had overlooked that, i previously thought just contained screws that I wasnt' going to use. Until I noticed the oil galley plug that is under the stator cover. So i pulled that off and put it in. Glad i caught that...In my minds eye (and pictures) I went through the build up again double checking seals, dowels, and parts. As far as I can tell from images and my memory cross referencing with the parts diagrams everything should be good. I guess I wont know for sure until i try cranking it over with oil in it.

Dropped the old oil lines off at a performance shop to have duplicated in stainless braid. Should have those tomorrow. Also had them do the oil cooler lines.

Tonight I'm going to continue reaming out the insulators so that they are matched a little better to the Mikuni's and the port work. Hopefully get that done and put the Mikuni's on.

I ordered a 4-2-1 chrome exhaust from cycleX last week but haven't heard back from them yet which is making me nervous. I'll probably call them today to see whats going on. In the meantime I'm going to weld in the O2 sensor for the Wideband into my old exhaust. Worst case I'll wrap it in exhaust wrap to mitigate the ugly until the cycleX one arrives.

Started putting in the electrical and have it about 60% done. Unfortunately I wont be able to go the distance until I get the headlight bucket back from the painter. Speaking of the painter...got a teaser of the colors!



Remaining Checklist (let me know if i'm overlooking something):
-- open insulators
-- install carbs
-- finish electrical
-- weld up and install exhaust

Cant do the following until it's out of the house (wife's rules)
-- bleed out brakes
-- fill fork tubes
-- fill oil
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 05:38:02 AM by madScientist »
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70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
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83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2013, 09:34:21 AM »
Don't get freaked out when your initial startup AFR's are really high, they richen as the bike warns up. Your preference as to whether you heat cycle the engine. There better be some video ;)
« Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 10:16:43 AM by sethdhawkins »
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2013, 09:39:08 AM »
That silver and blue is tits! Those are the colors I want to do on my K4 they just go so well together. I am also curious to see that Cycle X exhaust. I almost went with that on TAO. I noticed they recently started offering them in chrome. We definitely have the same taste
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2013, 12:18:39 PM »
Seth
I'm going to heat cycle the engine prior to taking legit readings. There'll be a video no worries there ;-)

Branden
Thats one of the reasons i wanted your paint scheme! That setup is the bee's knees man. I just got the tracking number for the exhaust. Should be here Thursday or Friday.


The performance shop says they can't duplicate my oil lines. I'm less than pleased. I'm going to see if I can find somewhere else that can do them up fairly quickly. If I can't I'm probably going to put them on and run the old ones for the summer and do the others this winter.

I'm having a moral delima. That exhaust is going to be so pretty I'm not going to want to weld to it...I might bite the bullet and take it to get done by a local welding shop. Unless you guys have other ideas...on that and the oil lines.
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70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
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83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2013, 11:45:41 AM »
Insulators open, carbs installed, oil lines picked up...

$h1t is getting real!

I have a line on a place to have the bung welded into the exhaust however that probably wont be done until next week :-(  I picked up a 45 degree and straight bung to deal with any clearance issues. The performance shop seemed to think this one welding shop could do it with minimal discoloration so I'll give them a shout and see.

That was the sad news...the happy news was I was sent these photos from the painter!!





« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 05:38:21 AM by madScientist »
You CAN do great things...with enough beer.


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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2013, 12:03:00 PM »
Very nice!
All a man needs in this world is someone to love, if you can't give him that, give him hope, if you can't give him hope...just give him something to do!

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2013, 01:58:20 PM »
That's not a good paint job, it's a great one!   Holy crap very nice

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2013, 02:30:10 PM »
Thanks guys! I think the painter is toying with me...he keeps sending me pictures like these...







I'm patiently waiting on the UPS guy to drop off the exhaust and I'll get some photos of that up. I found a good welding shop that will weld in the o2 sensor. Hoping to get that done tomorrow to maybe start this sucker up this weekend!
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 05:38:38 AM by madScientist »
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2013, 02:31:49 PM »
oh my.......oh my. I see that color and I think shelby gt. absolutely gorgeous.

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2013, 03:48:20 PM »
wow, that looks sick!

What color code is that silver?
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2013, 05:50:22 PM »
What are you doing for a seat ?
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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2013, 06:15:09 AM »
Tuskey - thanks! I got the color idea from one of my buddies Cobra. So it's right up there with the Shelby

Branden - I'll get the color code for you when I pick the parts up this weekend

MoonDog - I'm going to fashion up a pan and upholster to that. Similar to what Branden did on TAO (the first time I think). I figure in the mean time I might just ride on the fiberglass or fashion a seat up myself.

I dropped the exhaust off to get the o2 sensor welded in. The exhaust rides a little low and I'm not running a kickstand so there looks to be plenty of clearance. I marked the spots out with tape. I'm hoping to pick the exhaust up this afternoon.

Here's exhaust pics:
Whats in the box?!?!


Mocked into place







Also...What is this connector for? I think it's for switchable main power to the harness? So I would have to put a 30amp inline fuse and connect it straight to the battery? (the 2 wire cable in the center of the pic)

« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 05:39:21 AM by madScientist »
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2013, 08:13:47 AM »
What color are the two wires on that plug?

I am diggin that exhaust. And thanks for getting the color codes for your paint. I won't be using the exact same color as you just so ya know. I am really struggling with picking a color out and if I find a few colors/codes I like it will help me pick one out finally. Is that blue from a Shelby?

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2013, 08:47:26 AM »
The wire colors are red (feels like 14awg) and the other is wrapped in yellow fiber but I think the underlying color is also red.

The color idea came from a Cobra. I didn't want the exact shade though as ford royal blue just doesn't do it for me...however close. I did a google image search for something like "blue and silver paint" and the first thing that came up was a AC Cobra in "Lexus Spectra Blue". Its similar to the Ford Royal blue but a tad darker and has flake cooked into it. I dont think my paint guy went with that exact color though. I told him I liked "these two colors so find something close but classy" i believe is what I said...

If you like the colors and want to use them go for it. Afterall you lent me your paint scheme ;-D I'm not sure how I'd personally feel about having silver as the primary color though...seems like it'd be too bright for my taste. Although it might compliment the silver of your engine nicely.

Here's the color swatch but it doesn't have the silver code.






and the welder called....exhaust is DONE!!!!
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 05:39:37 AM by madScientist »
You CAN do great things...with enough beer.


78 cb750f
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2013, 08:54:38 AM »
Well two reds huh. No stripes on them at all? I am looking at a wire diagram and not seeing anything like that.

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« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2013, 08:56:00 AM »
When i get home i'll pull that fiber up and see what the colors truely are.

I should go home and do it now...day before a holiday weekend means i'm not getting anything done at work...
You CAN do great things...with enough beer.


78 cb750f
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)

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Re: 78 CB750F "Modular-ish" cafe build?
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2013, 08:57:30 AM »
OK just looked at my bike. You should have a mating end to that plug and it connects to the starter solenoid.




edit:
Yup, one wire should be red, the other red/white stripe. The mating end connects to the solenoid and positive side of the battery and the 15a fuse.
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« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2013, 09:13:57 AM »
Ah that makes sense! I have my starter circuit configured incorrectly then. Shame on me for thinking i knew how it went and not consulting the diagrams! Thanks Branden!

This is going to be a crazy day...picking the exhaust up from the welder this afternoon and picking up the painted skins this evening.

Think I found a local place to do the seat upholstery but need to whip up a pan first.
You CAN do great things...with enough beer.


78 cb750f
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113293.0
70 CL350 Street Tracker / Cafe
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=125641.0
83 KZ1100ltd
76 GL1000
71 Kaw H2 (to be built)
77 cb750A (sold)
74 cb125s (sold)