Author Topic: changing a NYS title... confusion. (Read 1078 times)

jason41987 · « **on:** October 02, 2012, 09:54:47 AM »

im trying to get this title switched over, its titled in NY state and will remain titles in NYS, but the DMV tells me i need some kind of proof of transfer.. and well, this bike was last titled in 2,000, on the title itself it simply has the owners date and signature claiming its been sold... so what do i do now?

Hasenkopf · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2012, 10:10:02 AM »

you need the "affidavit of sale or gift" it can be downloaded from the nys dmv website. you also may need the sales tax form. you will need the previous owners sig on those forms, of something that looks like it(I didn't say that out loud).

jason41987 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2012, 01:45:02 PM »

i found the form i was looking for, i was looking for MV-82TON, which is the title only form as opposed to one including the registration.. all i need from the previous owner is a signed title which i have, so i should have this taken care of soon

bjbuchanan · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM »

you just saved me atleast one trip to hell

errr, dmv

jason41987 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2012, 07:30:54 PM »

well, dont take my word for it yet, i havent done it yet, i will later this week though

phil71 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2012, 10:42:40 PM »

They're gonna want an MV-802 to go with it

ChuckG750f1 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2012, 05:54:12 AM »

I did this 6 months ago. All I needed was the Title with the PO's signature/date and the 802 form with his signature. I brought proof of insurance, ID (driver's license) and my check book. Got the new NYS Title in my name in the mail in about 4 weeks

BAchvytrk · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2012, 06:16:39 AM »

if you have a signed reciept of sale from the PO, you won''t need to have him sign the 802 form

jason41987 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2012, 11:09:10 PM »

heres the thing though.. it was purchased in 2000 by someone else, who never switched the title over, and then sold to me with the title with the original owners name on it... i never bought it from the original owner, and never seen the guy

BAchvytrk · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:30:25 AM »

pm sent

Stev-o · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:32:00 AM »

Quote from: jason41987 on October 03, 2012, 11:09:10 PM

heres the thing though.. it was purchased in 2000 by someone else, who never switched the title over, and then sold to me with the title with the original owners name on it... i never bought it from the original owner, and never seen the guy

Don't tell them that!

ChuckG750f1 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:52:38 AM »

I had the same situation. This may depend on the person you get at DMV and the day they're having. As Stev-o said, "don't tell them that". I would bring a filled out 802 form with a signature on it and current dates

kirkn · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2012, 08:45:28 AM »

Uh oh... here in FL, you'd be screwed.

If the bike was titled to 'A', and 'A' sold it to 'B', and 'B' filled out his name as buyer, but never transferred the title to his own name, then sold it to YOU, the state of FL would say - "bring 'B' in here, have him transfer it properly and PAY ALL THE RELEVANT FEES, then we can transfer it to you and you can pay those same fees all over again". And if 'B' wasn't available for whatever reason, too bad for you - NEXT!

Good luck with it.

Kirk

*edit* on the other hand, if 'B' never put his name anywhere on the title, then you CAN just put your name in as buyer and "pretend" to the DVM that you bought it directly from 'A'.

Y'see, as far as the DMV is concerned, you DID NOT buy it from the previous owner. Legally, 'A' is the official previous owner and you bought it from 'B', who legally had no right to sell it to you. Anything you do at this point is an attempt to wiggle around that fact.

K.

jason41987 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2012, 08:56:30 AM »

see, the title just has the original owners signature with the date sold, it doesnt actually have any buyer information on it, though there is a spot for all that info on the back of the title

kirkn · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:43:42 PM »

Hey, in that case (here in FL), you'd be golden - fill in your own name as buyer, and all the other stuff (purchase price, odometer reading etc) and say 'Yep, I bought it from him 12 years ago and just now am getting around to transferring it - I originally bought it as a parts donor / race bike / whatever but now have changed my mind and decided to register it...'

Here in FL, you might have to pay a late fee for such shenanigans, but that's all...

Good luck with it.

Kirk

*edit* Hmmm.... just realized you guys are saying NY requires you to have a signed title PLUS this signed other form (or a signed bill of sale). FL doesn't require TWO signed documents - just the title will do here. Sounds like you're gonna have to forge a signature on that other form.

ChuckG750f1 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:00:14 PM »

DON'T say anything!!! Just give them the documents and stand there with your check book! This isn't complicated. You need 2 documents and a dumb, friendly look on your face.

kirkn · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:01:47 PM »

Quote from: ChuckG750f1 on October 04, 2012, 01:00:14 PM

DON'T say anything!!! Just give them the documents and stand there with your check book! This isn't complicated. You need 2 documents and a dumb, friendly look on your face.

+1!!

Stev-o · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2012, 07:08:33 PM »

Quote from: kirkn on October 04, 2012, 01:01:47 PM

Quote from: ChuckG750f1 on October 04, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
DON'T say anything!!! Just give them the documents and stand there with your check book! This isn't complicated. You need 2 documents and a dumb, friendly look on your face.

+1!!

+1!!

Dunk · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2012, 07:46:23 PM »

I bought my '71 a few years ago from NY. Any time myself or anyone else has ever bought a vehicle from NY it's always a problem to get it transferred to NJ. NJ is a miserable state like that. When I got the bike I it had a transferable registration, little worn scrap of paper the owner signed on back to allow transfer or sale. I also had a hand written bill of sale. It was enough, when I went to the backwoods DMV with only friendly old ladies and on a slow weekday. They questioned it but I played nice and sweet talked them, and they did the transfer. Usually works for me, as I've found simply presenting my papers at any DMV is never enough, they always have a bone to pick even though you have everything in order, except perhaps a notarized bill of sale (which isn't technically required and of course you cna never get on weekends or holidays when normal people can drive hundreds of miles to buy an old bike or car).

Stev-o · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2012, 08:18:14 PM »

I recently bought a bike from NY too. It is a '72 and NY did not have titles for bikes back then. It did come with a transferable registration, but not in the sellers name. Did not tell them that info and had no problem getting a TX title.

jason41987 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2012, 12:45:05 AM »

aah.. i got lucky.. the guy i bought it from apparently knew the original owner, and got me a bill of sale from the original owner with his signature and my name on it... so i should be good to go with this

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Author Topic: changing a NYS title... confusion. (Read 1078 times)