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Re: its here (in europe) but who wil buy it?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 08:56:55 AM »
2013 and 87hp :o hell no. 120hp from the factory and maybe.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 09:08:38 AM »
First of all..... I thought all the new Honda's are unicam? Second of all, why is it that all the "standard" bikes have dumb downed (or just out right retarded) versions of the hi-end 160+hp engines that come cradled in anything with a fairing? My buddies 96 zx6 that has hardly been maintained made 129 hp on the dyno. My brothers zr-750 would be lucky to make 80+hp.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 09:11:10 AM »
yep, flame them, easy to slash Honda on power and weight, but look at how many 62hp/ 451 lbs Triumph Twins are selling ....they make up 30% of their sales i hear

Honestly, most folk i see on those Triumph twins couldnt care less if the bike has 50-60-70-80 hp, they are out there to pose/pot around.

for me the main problem is the CB1100 sorta falls between chairs, not really vintage, not really dont-know-what, just too plain Vanilla.

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 09:12:42 AM »
Another thing. Whats that tone ring doing on the rear wheel? ABS? No ring on the front that I can see. Are they doing a "Ford" having rear abs only? Also why the 80's style tank? What a disgrace that tank is. (Sorry, but its true.) I'll stick with my 550.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 09:17:22 AM »
It is kinda strange to have an 1100cc with so LITTLE HP. HONDA was making 120HP V4 in the 1982 MAGNA/SABER.. They may be just numbers  to make INS. companies happy, kinda like they did with the V4 750 Magna/ then they went to the V4 700cc ,, say WHAT!! same engine just detuned.


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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 09:18:06 AM »
Those are cool. I would like to see one customized with aftermarket bits.

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Re: its here (in europe) but who wil buy it?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 09:24:12 AM »
It is kinda strange to have an 1100cc with so LITTLE HP. HONDA was making 120HP V4 in the 1982 MAGNA/SABER.. They may be just numbers  to make INS. companies happy, kinda like they did with the V4 750 Magna/ then they went to the V4 700cc ,, say WHAT!! same engine just detuned.


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The 750 went to a 700 to avoid a Harley inspired tariff placed on 750+cc imports. The tariff was later lifted.

I think Turbo has it right. The target market doesn't care for the extra horsepower. 80 is plenty.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 09:26:30 AM »
I heard that before MC. I refer to "Make a good product and then you won't worry about the competition.".
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 10:22:44 AM »
 I dunno....I like it. I have a feeling they'll price it to extinction, though.

 And remember, many of these naked models have been re-tuned (de-tuned?) to make more TQ and low end/mid range power. Personally, that's right up my alley. What good is 150HP if it's all at 12,000 RPM?
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 10:27:45 AM »
I dunno....I like it. I have a feeling they'll price it to extinction, though.

 And remember, many of these naked models have been re-tuned (de-tuned?) to make more TQ and low end/mid range power. Personally, that's right up my alley. What good is 150HP if it's all at 12,000 RPM?
That's right. If you want a sport bike, that's what you gotta have. But if you want anything else, 80hp and 50ft torq is a magic point. Few riders can use that to its fullest. The broader the band the better. (Assuming the 1100 has 50ft and a broad band).

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Re: its here (in europe) but who wil buy it?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 11:13:36 AM »
Dunno, swap tank and seat and it would be a 1978 Kawasaki
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 11:29:05 AM »
My buddies 96 zx6 that has hardly been maintained made 129 hp on the dyno. My brothers zr-750 would be lucky to make 80+hp.
ZR 750 engine is from the 70's, can't really compare the two.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 12:12:54 PM »
Shame two exhausts would have been better in my view.I like the retro look but it will never be a sohc look again.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 12:18:41 PM »
I like it.  Those triumph bikes are selling cause they figured out not everyone wants a crotch rocket or a v-twin chopper or harley.  Some people want *gasp* just a motorcycle.  I don't HAVE to make some statement with my motorcycle or incorporate it into my identity.  Wonder how much it costs.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2012, 02:44:13 PM »
Since they have been available for three years is some parts of the world, if they were not selling then Honda wouldn't be expanding the market.   There is a market for JSM's, but the manufactures just abandoned it when the crotch rockets and v-twins took off.  I would buy the 1100 in a heartbeat if they ever imported it to the US.

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2012, 02:59:10 PM »
I'm seeing new prices around 15k USD.  Seems high to me.  I think you can get a high end cbr for around 10k right?

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 04:51:46 PM »
I do like it but not for 15k. 8-9 would be better especially if you can spend just as much on a cbr.  even if you don't want a sport bike, your just paying for the iconic appeal, not that there is anything wrong with that.  I want it to look like my 74 but have over 100bhp.  Also, I cant make my mind up about the tank.  its alright but i don't like the angled dip or whatever on the bottom back.  The bonneville is about 9k i think.

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 05:01:38 PM »
I like it. When it was first announced at Tokyo a few years ago, I wrote to US Honda asking if they intended to import it. A few weeks later I received a phone call from them. No, there were no plans to bring it here but (and this is the sad/frustrating/infuriating part), Honda was coming out with a bike that would appeal to those that remembered the CB bikes. That bike was yet another V-twin cruiser. Crikey. They don't get it and apparently don't want to get it.

If I didn't already have four bikes, I would be willing to buy a CB1100. (I didn't have so many when I wrote to Honda.)

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 05:14:31 PM »
Looks like a nice machine and I would like to own one BUT not for that kind of money. My big question is where can I get a PINK riding jacket and some snazzy slacks like him in the pic  :) or is that a Euro thing only   8)

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 06:40:34 PM »
You would probably not be asking that had they chose to make that a woman ride withair braided or peaking out of the helmet in a bright pink jacket and leather pants.

The artist chose the colors and esthetics to give it a balance fung shei (spelling) look most likely.
If it is a naked super touring bike why not picture a rider in touring styled attire?

Wouldn't you call that color more of a salmon?  Way too metrosexual a color...

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 07:13:10 PM »
For the guys complaining about the power figures, just remember that this bike weights similar wet to a 750/4, and if you have ever ridden a cb750 with 87-90 hp you will know that they are no slug... ;)
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 07:31:53 PM »
For the guys complaining about the power figures, just remember that this bike weights similar wet to a 750/4, and if you have ever ridden a cb750 with 87-90 hp you will know that they are no slug... ;)

That's right! we'll spend crazy money to get to that level, and it is a fun level. But a showroom bike, bullet proof, leak free, with that kind of performance is real fun.

But building up our old bikes is a fun of its own. It's not apples to apples. But at 80+ hp its time to learn how to ride better.
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