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Offline Big_e78

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Chain Stretch
« on: October 13, 2012, 09:02:31 AM »
Took my rear wheel off to change a tire. Thought since I don't know the history, I'll measure my chain to see if it's stretched out of spec. I don't understand what the manual means by this:

Maybe Japanese didn't translate well or something, because it's not clear to me.
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Offline tlbranth

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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 09:22:33 AM »
The chain wears out at the pins. Where each link joins together, the pin that goes through the outer link wears on the bearing surface on the inner link. A small amount of wear adds up fast when you multiply it by 100 links. "Stretch" is actually wear on these joints. To determine "stretch" you measure a length of new chain between pin holes and your worn chain. You want the wear to be less than 10mm per meter of chain. By the way, if you have a 750, get an x-ring chain. Night and day difference in wear. I think the smaller bikes have a problem with the x-ring (wider) touching and wearing the cases.
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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 09:28:23 AM »
Thanks for the reply. I don't have a new chain to compare. Does anyone know the length of a new one?

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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 09:53:07 AM »
Appreciate that you can make a chain longer to increase the wheel base if desired, that said, there is obviously a stock # of links from the factory, however this may have changed over time.
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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 10:08:11 AM »
 Just pull it off the sprocket at axle height, compare to a good one...easy..
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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 04:17:46 PM »
If in doubt, switch it out.

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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 06:27:21 PM »
530 chain is 5/8" pitch. so multply that by the number of links minus 1 for virgin chain length.
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Chain Stretch
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 08:03:25 PM »
Great, ill give that a shot. Thanks

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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 09:51:49 PM »
Some of Honda's earlier manuals made this a little clearer, and is the "purist's way" of measuring the wear, still. It went about like this:
1. Remove the chain and wash in solvent until clean in all the pitches (that means "links").
2. Lay chain flat and straight, push all links together tightly. Measure the length.
3. Hold one end of chain solidly and pull [50 lbs] to full length. Measure length and subtract distance.
4. Distance must not exceed 0.4" (1 cm). More equals worn chain.

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The 'stretch' rating for chains actually is appointed by the sprocket manufacturers. The amount of extra pitch length that a sprocket tooth can accommodate also determines how far stretched the chain can be before it impacts the leading edges of the teeth, causing wear to both and loss of power. This also causes shock that tosses the lube out of the chain. For these bikes with JIS or ISO-built sprockets, stretch must be NO MORE than 1.5% of total length. On the 750K1-K6 bikes, this is simple as they are [stock] 100-link chains, so 1.5 links is the 0.938" limit. Keep in mind: this method includes BOTH the pressed-together + pulled apart distance, so divide that by 2 to get the figure found in the later manuals, which neither included the wash-down nor the push-it-together-first part, so it only measures the nominal-to-stretch length. This is 1/2 of the 0.938", or about 0.47". By 1971, Honda was getting very conservative with their chain-stretch limits because so many 750s had broken cases from overly-worn chains that they were nicknamed "the $1695 chain breaker" bike, after their sales price.  :(
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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 08:54:29 AM »
Great, ill give that a shot. Thanks
I said it wrong. It's #links x 5/8 or #pins minus 1 x 5/8
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Re: Chain Stretch
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 09:32:25 AM »
 Once you compare a new chain with the lift off sprocket trick, and then try it with a worn one, it will take only seconds to figure if it's stretch..will take longer to clean off your fingers..
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