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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2011, 05:46:25 PM »
I bought one of the filters with adapter from 750supply.com.  When I spun it on I felt a little click just as it tightened up.  Tightened a little further and everything seemed fine.  After installing I let the bike run for about 10 min. and had no problems  The next day I was going to go on a ride and got about a block from home when my oil pressure light came on.  I pulled over and shut down only to find a trail of oil behind me and oil dripping from the filter.  The filter was very loose.  Pushed the bike home and took everything apart.  Upon investigating I found that the adapter has a gap in between the 3/4" threads and the 20 mm threads of about 3/16".  There are only about 3/16" of threads on the filter, so when I tightened the filter it actually ended with the filter threads in the gap with not threads.  I have since put three small tack welds in this gap area to keep the filter from spinning on past the threads.  Haven't installed again yet but I'm hoping this rectifies the problem.

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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2011, 07:10:48 PM »
Were the earlier chrome filters that were problematic also due to a non-fixed  adaptor?
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2011, 08:33:05 PM »
I bought one of the filters with adapter from 750supply.com.  When I spun it on I felt a little click just as it tightened up.  Tightened a little further and everything seemed fine.  After installing I let the bike run for about 10 min. and had no problems  The next day I was going to go on a ride and got about a block from home when my oil pressure light came on.  I pulled over and shut down only to find a trail of oil behind me and oil dripping from the filter.  The filter was very loose.  Pushed the bike home and took everything apart.  Upon investigating I found that the adapter has a gap in between the 3/4" threads and the 20 mm threads of about 3/16".  There are only about 3/16" of threads on the filter, so when I tightened the filter it actually ended with the filter threads in the gap with not threads.  I have since put three small tack welds in this gap area to keep the filter from spinning on past the threads.  Haven't installed again yet but I'm hoping this rectifies the problem.

Makes sense this is probably what happened to mine.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2011, 12:16:31 AM »
I rode over 500 miles on the rally coupla weeks ago and probably have close to another 500 since I put the filter on. I would sure be interested in finding out the problem that people are having with them.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2011, 04:31:52 AM »
I bought one of the filters with adapter from 750supply.com.  When I spun it on I felt a little click just as it tightened up.  Tightened a little further and everything seemed fine.  After installing I let the bike run for about 10 min. and had no problems  The next day I was going to go on a ride and got about a block from home when my oil pressure light came on.  I pulled over and shut down only to find a trail of oil behind me and oil dripping from the filter.  The filter was very loose.  Pushed the bike home and took everything apart.  Upon investigating I found that the adapter has a gap in between the 3/4" threads and the 20 mm threads of about 3/16".  There are only about 3/16" of threads on the filter, so when I tightened the filter it actually ended with the filter threads in the gap with not threads.  I have since put three small tack welds in this gap area to keep the filter from spinning on past the threads.  Haven't installed again yet but I'm hoping this rectifies the problem.

Makes sense this is probably what happened to mine.

Could you simply screw the male 20mm part into the block further so the filter doesn't screw past the threads into the gap? If the 20mm male threads are bottomed in the block, could you shave some threads off the 20mm side so the 3/4 threads and gap are closer to the block?

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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2011, 05:22:57 AM »
cobra That is what I did first clean block and adapter with brake cleen put locktite on let dry went in plenty deep enough.

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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2011, 06:02:12 PM »
What about the bypass value?
Stock filter bolt has one. I hear some (most?) spin-on filters have built-in bypass valves. Does this chrome one have it?
Without bypass valve, there would be no oil flow under sudden high pressure situation like cold startup or accel. from idle.
I am not worried about clogged filter situation since I change oil/filter every 1000 miles but oil starvation worries me.

It seems that WIX 51365 made for 2011 ST1300 (and other autos) DOES have built-in bypass.


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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2011, 07:24:06 AM »

Makes sense this is probably what happened to mine.

Could you simply screw the male 20mm part into the block further so the filter doesn't screw past the threads into the gap? If the 20mm male threads are bottomed in the block, could you shave some threads off the 20mm side so the 3/4 threads and gap are closer to the block?
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There's actually plenty of internal thread to screw the adapter further into, but here's the rub. You see, over 30+ years of operation, the 20 x 1.5mm internally threaded portion that your oil filter bolt screws into gets pretty cruddy, and when cleaning up my F1 engine cases recently I had to run a threading tap thru it to clean all the crap out.

The threaded portion of the oil filter bolt is only 20mm, so the remaining 15mm (approx) of internal thread in the engine case fills with all kinds of goop that cooks itself into the unused threads over the years. With that kinda crap built up after the 20mm mark, It's really hard trying to screw a piece of threaded bar any further into the engine case, particularly when there's nothing that you can hook a wrench onto, so your fingers give up when you hit the crud barrier.

Fred's had the good fortune of having recently had one of my oil cooler adapters on his bike, and because my centre bolts threaded portions are around 25mm, the internally threaded portion in his engine case now has an additional 5mm "crud free zone", so he's been able to screw the threaded bar adapter that comes with the chrome oil filter in 5mm further, allowing him to screw the filter down tighter on it's seal, and hence, no leaks.

For those of you out there not fortunate enough to own one of my oil cooler adapters with the newly discovered benefit of an additional 5mm of crud removing thread on the centre bolt, you'll need to either buy a 20 x 1.5mm threading tap (expensive) to carefully clean the crap outta the threads, or a 20 x 1.5mm bolt (hard to find) or even an old rear axle. (the cheapest option, if you've got one) Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2011, 08:24:17 AM »
Just pulled my chrome filter off after lots of miles. No leaking issues whatsoever. I simply screwed the adapter in the case before threading on the filter hand tight. I'll certainly use this filter and/or the adapter again.

I have a rotor puller for my 750 that should have plenty of threads to push the gunk out of the threads, which is a good idea as Terry mentioned. I think it was $5.99 on ebay.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2012, 07:05:33 AM »
That's exactly what I'm saying. Under idle oil pressure the filter gasket was pushed past the "gasket groove" and oil went everywhere. I still have the POS if you want to test it.

So after a year I finally got around to trying one these chrome filters about two weeks ago and the exact same thing happened.
About 15 seconds after I started the bike the gasket blew out and puked oil on the floor.

However, I'm still sold on the concept and I'll be trying it again in the future with a different filter.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2012, 08:00:18 AM »
I searched high and low for a filter that would fit and except the one from vintagecb750, did not find any.
There is Napa gold or Wix of the right thread and size, but the plate inside the filter - the one with holes in it - has to be concaved to accomodate the threaded piece on the block. I tried the napa one and there was at least 1/2" space for the filter to actually  seal against the block  I can find the NAPA # if you are interested but it does not work.
I made an adapter myself and use Bosch 3332 spin on now.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2012, 08:13:08 AM »
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2012, 08:18:37 AM »
I got one from Rock Auto that requires no adapter.  It leaks and i am not happy.  Going back to stock Saturday.

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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2012, 08:39:25 AM »
Maker, number?
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2012, 10:55:51 AM »
Terry we southerners have to stick together.  You told me not to do the spin on filter but I am so amsart!

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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2012, 11:10:02 AM »
I do not understand why anyone would bypass the stock cool -  fin oil filter arrangement.
Is not the idea to keep our oil cooler?
Seems to me adapting a spin on filter lessens the ability of the oil to cool itself.
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2012, 11:16:03 AM »
I have two reasons personally:

- cleaner oil change
- filter availability
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2012, 11:44:55 PM »
The OEM finned filter cartridge cover makes little or no difference to the engine's cooling ability, although Honda did replace the original unfinned cover of the Sandcast 750 with the finned ones, probably in the hope that it'd make a difference, kind of like the finned adapter they installed on the CB750 F2/3, which of course made no difference worth mentioning.

The chrome spin on filters look nice, but it's been my experience that they're pretty low quality items, and most of them leak. When I was making spin on filter adapter plates I used K&N filters which also came in chrome, are excellent quality, have a "nut" welded on the end for easy installation/removal and don't leak, but won't work without a special "Terry Built" adapter plate. Cheers, Terry. ;D     
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Re: Spin On Chrome Oil Filters
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2012, 01:09:59 AM »
im with terry on the stock oil filter cover fins actually doing anything,a bit like the early nokia phones,with the antenna you pulled up,,it was fake?