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Offline Sam Green Racing

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DOHC CB77
« on: October 22, 2012, 08:41:04 am »
Seen at the Stafford Classic Bike Show.
This bike was built by Pete Rhodes some years ago and was talked about on here but no pictures were available at the time.
These 2 pics are not brilliant as they were taken with my cell phone.
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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 08:42:28 am »
the other.

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:00:40 am »
No offense Sam, but you're right, the pics are not brilliant!  ::)

What head is he using, doesn't appear to be original kit. I saw one recently that uses a GS400 head.

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 09:03:38 am »
werent these simply called CR72?

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 09:03:53 am »
is it a, 8 valve head
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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 09:05:02 am »
It's a Honda Black Bomber top end grafted on to the CB77 Brent.

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 09:07:10 am »
werent these simply called CR72?

No Yossef but there was a CR72 there on display along with a CR93 and CR110.

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 09:10:55 am »
this  type engines spare many parts,,,sentifugal oil filter and generator...but the 77 are oil pump not piston pump..and kickstart are extern from engine
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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 03:08:32 pm »
strynbroen......looks like a CL motor on the bench.......the base motors are nearly identical but the oil-pump has a motor-mount lug on the CL and the crank-end is different because of no electric-starter / sprague clutch, the right sidecover is different fromt the CB motors to allow for the two different types of kickstarters, the top-plates are interchangeble depending on CL or CB mounts, and the left head has a tach-drive for the CB as well as the internal drive on the end of the CB left cam.

I had not yet seen a pic of the CB450 head adaptation. The Suzuki 400 head has the same stud pattern and dimensions for the supposedly 'easy' custom build. CB72 and CB77 racing kits included fully laced alloy wheels and carbs with separate high-speed jets with a direct air-tube to the right-side air-cleaner. The 1961 CB77 came equipped with a top-tree that held the combo speedo & tach so the light-bucket could be removed. Numerous variations have been tried including a CA77 cam swap to make a 'twingle' motor for Trials-use, and machining the cases to adapt a CL360 6-speed tranny.

These motors are the birth-place of the clutche-plates and cam-chains used in the CB750. 
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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 11:07:44 am »
its a cb 72 vith twin carb
 you have to klick the photo to see
there are a plate for the starter eng hole...
can see there are a lot of space in the engine..its are not so kompakt as the later sohc...so good place for mods

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 04:00:24 pm »
      It's interesting that the early Honda's used a Suzuki head for better performance. The next generation Honda twins of the late 70's had bad flowing 3 valve heads.
     Most everyone on the forums knows that I race Hondamatics. I have a hybrid Suzuki 2 valve 450 head Hondamatic twin slowly going together in my cellar. I documented it over at dragbike.com (http://www.dragbike.com/forum/showthread.php?55335-Twin-building). Unfortunately the picture connection has expired. 85 mm bore with 2 relocated cylinder studs, Mike R. ported head, and a lot of remote top end oiling lines. The cylinder studs don't come within a mile of swapping over. The good news is that the bore spacing is identical at 120mm between the second generation Honda twins and the 80's Suzuki twins. Never thought that I'd get to mention that on the SOHC4 forums.  ;)

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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 05:08:24 pm »
Jon......I don't know of anyone that actually achieved reliable racing performance from the combination. I have seen and heard one running for demonstration and mild rides, and heard of two others. 

strynboen....Yes, you have the forward kicker CB design.  My latest iteration is a 3mm big-bore of a 305 (337cc) with a pair of CB750 28mm carbs.....Lots of porting.
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Re: DOHC CB77
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 10:55:38 am »
Seen at the Stafford Classic Bike Show.
This bike was built by Pete Rhodes some years ago and was talked about on here but no pictures were available at the time.
These 2 pics are not brilliant as they were taken with my cell phone.
I have a picture of Pete Rhodes DOHC CB77 somewhere Sam I will look for it.
werent these simply called CR72?

No Yossef but there was a CR72 there on display along with a CR93 and CR110.

Sam. ;)
I saw that and thought it was the Pete Rhodes bike didn't realise it was a genuine CR72  :o I was more interested in seeing a CR93 & CR110 together again.
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