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Offline jwalters

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New Carbs for a 1969 CL350?
« on: July 04, 2006, 05:48:24 PM »
Hello,
  I was wondering if anyone could recommend some new carbs for a 1969 CL350.  The diaphrams are beyond repair, and new ones for this model are all made out of unobtainum now-a-days.  I believe the carbs are similar to the early CB 350s.  Anyone know what carbs work well for this bike, and where can I get them!

Thank you!  I'll post pictures in a bit!
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Re: New Carbs for a 1969 CL350?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2006, 05:54:22 PM »
Later CL/CB carbs and diaphrams will work, but the early diaphrams are important because they allowed the throttle pistons to open real fast allowing enough fuel flow for that heady 10,500 RPM redline along with a good midrange, making the engine not very peaky despite the massive redline.

The later bikes lowered the redline to 9200 RPM and changed the diaphrams and carbs accordingly so that if fitted to earlier 10,500 RPM machines, the engine would starve for fuel as it approached redline since the pistons didn't open as aggressively as the earlier carbs.  The cams were adjsuted to the mild side as well.

Hondaman can maybe give you more info, but this is what I've gleaned off of him.

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Re: New Carbs for a 1969 CL350?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2006, 09:16:29 PM »
If you have the early and late carbs on your bench together, you might be able to glean the differences. The physical length of the slide changed on the later ones, as did the hole size that pulls the vacuum for the diaphragm. There was a brief time when the early and later carbs "kitbashed", and some of each parts were found in the other. You will immediately know if the slides are right, because they won't cross between them, but if you have later carbs, see if you can adjust the hole (orifice) size in the downstream side of the carb, near the butterfly, to match the hole size in your earlier carbs. This will quicken the lift. But, the later slides don't open as far, and there's not much you can do about that part.  :-\

I've repaired (and replaced) an awful lot of those diaphragms. With some thin sheet rubber and some Pliobond glue, you can make a set last quite a long while by gluing long, thin, narrow strip patches over the cracks. Try to go from outside edge to the center, so it will flex like the rest of the diaphragm. If you go circumferentially, it will stiffen the diaphragm and overdampen the slide, making it boggy and rich-running.
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