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Offline CapeCafe

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Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« on: October 29, 2012, 05:48:44 AM »
Before I started hacking away at this problem I thought I would reach out to the forum and see how others have dealt with this issue during their carb rebuilds.  I'm in the process of completely disassembling the carbs on my 76 550 K.  Prior to me picking the bike up last spring it had sat for 19 years with a full tank of fuel.  The varnish in the float bowls was almost and inch thick.  The only problem I have encountered is the (2) 3mm screws that hold the valve plate onto one of the throttle valves are stripped.  Any thoughts on the best way to get in there and get them out, or is it best for me to search for a replacement throttle valve.  Other than the (2) stripped screws, the carbs cleaned up very nicely and everything is sparkling and ready for reassemble.  As always, your ideas are appreciated.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 07:17:58 AM »
Problem solved.  I made the mistake of asking for help before trying the obvious.  #2 screw extractor just clears the top of the arm.  Drilled out the head with a 7/16 and the extractor bit easily.
1976 CB550 K
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1995 Ducati 916 SPS
1995 Ducati 900 SS/SP
2000 Ducati 900i.e.

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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 08:17:25 AM »
Problem solved.  I made the mistake of asking for help before trying the obvious.  #2 screw extractor just clears the top of the arm.  Drilled out the head with a 7/16 and the extractor bit easily.
That is a pretty big drill. You sure?
Ken

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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 08:43:49 AM »
My typo...you are right.  The bit was 7/64.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 03:44:45 PM »
The butterfly screws are staked on the back side so if you try to remove them then the threads on the shaft and the screw will probably be ruined.

It is best to leave them alone.

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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 06:56:05 AM »
Lucky, where are the butterfy screws located?  I referred to the manual when each apart and didn't run into any screws that seemed to be pinned.  I only had a problem with the screws on the one valve plate because that carb had more old fuel varnish all the way up into the throttle body. A simple green soak for a few hours has them looking like new.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 08:17:38 AM »
If you're talking about the choke plate/butterfly, those screws are not pinned on a 087A Keihin carb. I just took a part cleaned those same carbs yesterday.

You might be able to run a 3mm tap through the hole and get enough useable threads. Use thread locker and once you put the choke plate back together and adjust the choke across all four carbs, don't touch it again. There shouldn't be any need to.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 11:44:38 AM »
I actually stopped at taking the chokes and assembly off each carb.  After a good soak in SS, a little scrubbing, hot water flush and pressure blow out they look and feel like new.  Can you explain the "light method" for bench syching the carbs?  I did notice the small light window in the throttle body; is that what it is there for?
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1995 Ducati 900 SS/SP
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 01:41:39 PM »
The butterfly screws are staked on the back side so if you try to remove them then the threads on the shaft and the screw will probably be ruined.

It is best to leave them alone.

It looks like there is some type of lock washers between the screw and butterfly maybe they are not pinned. The ones on my 42a and b carbs are. I had to take mine apart to put on orings and felt washers. And did what Duanob said.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
Sorry Cape forgot about the light TT said it best If you need to know use the custom search bar on the top left. This is what I found. Thanks TT.
Ken

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The slides or" throttle valves" have cutaways that should face the air filter side.  The cutaways have the motto "we never close".  It is the engine side of the slides that really govern how much air gets through the carb.
I've alway felt that bench syncing the carbs is only good for coarse synching.  Because just tightening the adjuster lock down can make a inch or two of vacuum change at idle for the guages.  This can be the difference between a smooth idle...or not.
Also, worn slides can leak air that bench syncing can't compensate for. 

So, on the bench in the garage, I use the "Light" method.  This way I can't nick the slides or bores with very hard and sharp drill bits.  And, I don't like leaving signs that I have been "in there".  I shine a strong light into the carb bore at the air filter/ cutaway side.  While looking straight through the carb bore, I then use the big idle knob to close a slide until the light goes out. Then I back it off until I can just see a crack of light.  Now I use the individual adjusters for each of the remaining carbs to do the same, no light/light, to each in turn without moving the main idle knob.  When you are done, though, the main idle knob position should be the same for light or no light for any carb slide across the bank.   I then give the idle knob a twist or two to open the slide enough so the engine will start up.  Then put them back on the bike and make any final synch adjustments with the guages.  It's usually pretty close with low time carbs and close fitting slides.  But, worn slides or carb banks that were assembled from parts of other banks, often need greater tweaking on the guages.

I'll let someone else post a drill bit method.
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Re: Stripped screws on the carb valve plate of a 76 CB 550 K
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 10:06:05 AM »
Thanks bollingball.  I do plan to vacuum synch the carbs once I have the bike running.  I figured a good bench synch will allow me to at least get the engine running.  It was last started in April 92.  What is that small light window in the throttle body used for?
1976 CB550 K
2003 Kawasaki ZX12r
1995 Ducati 916 SPS
1995 Ducati 900 SS/SP
2000 Ducati 900i.e.