Author Topic: Project: 7-Fizzle - V1.1 - If only spring would get here... (Read 148768 times)

iron_worker · « **Reply #75 on:** November 29, 2012, 06:44:17 AM »

I will check the classified. Thanks bjbuchanan. Silly to have to pay shipping to get a carb drain screw here. ha

Yes I got the 1.5gal kit. I'm also curious to try the zinc plating. I'll try and get some before and afters. If the correct heater shows up from Caswell before the weekend I may get to do some experimenting. I'm wondering about stripping the old zinc off first ... I've read that it can be done with muriatic acid or hydrochloric acid but I'd rather not have those chemicals sitting around if I don't have to. I'm thinking about just cleaning up the old zinc as best I can and going right over top. I don't think it should be a problem but I can't find any reading directly about that topic so far.

Yes, Dave, there are always things a guy forgets. lol I immediately remembered after I hit the "order confirmation" button that I wanted to order a bunch of various connectors for my signal lights and such. Oh well I guess. whats one more order? lol

IW

Killer Canary · « **Reply #76 on:** November 29, 2012, 07:37:59 AM »

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I rebuild my 750 engine in the trunk of my Yaris. You work with what you have.

That's the stuff! When I adjusted the valves on my old DOHC, I put the motor in the trunk of my K-car and shimmed it in the dealer's parking lot.

Garystratos201 · « **Reply #77 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:55:29 AM »

Man what bank did you rob.lol Seriously looks like your on your way.........Gary

iron_worker · « **Reply #78 on:** November 29, 2012, 09:21:38 AM »

Haha I robbed my own bank ... it's hurting real bad right now.... bleeding out slowly.

IW

jas67 · « **Reply #79 on:** December 01, 2012, 06:32:34 AM »

Quote from: iron_worker on November 29, 2012, 09:21:38 AM

Haha I robbed my own bank ... it's hurting real bad right now.... bleeding out slowly.

IW

I can relate. I've been on an NOS parts buying binge lately, as I'm in the parts procurement phase for several bikes right now:
'75 CB550
'75 CB400F
'67 CL160
'67 CB160 (x2)

iron_worker · « **Reply #80 on:** December 02, 2012, 07:02:39 PM »

4 bikes to buy for ... NOS parts ... OUCH!

IW

iron_worker · « **Reply #81 on:** December 02, 2012, 07:17:19 PM »

Well I put in quite a few hours this weekend but seemed like I did more of a 3 steps forward 2 steps back type deal...

Saturday morning at a reasonable hour I started in with all the right supplies.

I tried a test piece as you can see. The media they used was very harsh and left a fairly textured surface on the steel ... which left a slightly textured surface on the part. I can deal with that.

Well that was annoying...

Both sides.

Round 1. First major problem is the light inside the "booth" isn't great. Hard to see if you've missed a spot. Which I did.

Problem two... spraying in a confined space creates a lot of dust! I don't knot if this is particular bad with this Duplicolor paint but the dust caused me all kinds of havoc. The dust was *very* fine and so it went EVERYWHERE! It also would land itself in the freshly wetted paint and cause a very textured finish.

But I forged on. Round 2.

OMG THE MESS!!! The dust was so fine that it went right through a drop cloth I had down over the bit of carpet that was exposed... left some nice marks on the carpet. Arg.

I had the drop cloth down here before until I realized the dust was fine enough to work its way through it! This is day 2 and after a couple hours of cleaning everything with my dyson. EVERYTHING!

Well after seeing that I had missed spots, had a few runs, had some dust in the finish ... I took the scotchbrite to it and varsol and it's ready for attempt #2.

More failed parts.

The parts that I think worked out well and am not redoing. A fairly small pile....

And the bits awaiting "Cast Coat Aluminum" to match the motor.

Conclusion: Spray painting a bike in a condo is very tough to do in any kind of a clean way. Some of the paint inevitably dries instantly as it hits the air and falls to the ground as dust. This dust is SUPER fine and gets everywhere! Trying to spray many parts at once in close proximity just makes this issue worse since the dust then settles into the other pieces freshly wetted paint coats.

Should have just paid for the powder coat.... I'm not turning back now though.

IW

dave500 · « **Reply #82 on:** December 02, 2012, 11:23:21 PM »

maybe a window open and a light fan blowing?you have a good mask?

iron_worker · « **Reply #83 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:11:35 AM »

I have a window fan in the window on exhaust as high as it will go which does help to keep the smells out of the rest of the condo. And yes, I bought a painting respirator and I'm glad I did. I forgot to put it on for the first coat and I was flying a bit high after that. ha

I'm having another go at it today. I'm going to try and paint less parts at one time with more space between so hopefully the dusting is less of an issue.

IW

UncleD · « **Reply #84 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:18:56 AM »

That's how I did my smaller parts. A small 2ftx2ft box.
I did 1 or 2 pieces at a time and minimizing paint dust
to accumulate inside. Takes a lot longer but I was pleased
With the results in the end. Also uses less paint ;-)

dave500 · « **Reply #85 on:** December 03, 2012, 11:22:33 AM »

yeah paint less at a time,dont try and rush it,bloody good job.

Killer Canary · « **Reply #86 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:31:45 PM »

You're butt-kicking considering the limitations! Winter can't be wasted around here

Are you still looking for badges?

Z-MO · « **Reply #87 on:** December 03, 2012, 01:12:12 PM »

Yeah, maybe get a small chunk of dryer vent and tape it to your window fan then attach the other end to a hole cut in your paint booth so you get a negative pressure suction in your booth. Just a thought

iron_worker · « **Reply #88 on:** December 04, 2012, 08:25:47 AM »

So I stayed home "sick" from work yesterday (shhh don't tell!) to put in some serious hours painting. I don't have pics for you right now but I can get some up later. I'm much more satisfied with my results that I got yesterday. Here are some tips for spray painting that I learnd the hard way:

1) Have GOOD light! I ended up missing a lot of spots and getting uneven coverage because my lighting was poor. On my second go-round I stuck a lamp right in the booth and actually held it up to the parts as I painted them.

2) Make sure there is access to all the parts from all the various directions you will need. The paint doesn't just flow around into every crevice on it's own. You actually have to come at it from a bunch of angles.

3) Kind of goes hand in hand with #2 but don't paint too many parts at once. You'll have poor access to them if you have a small space and the dust created will settle into the other parts' wet paint and leave a rough surface.

4) Have a good respirator AND good airflow. I'm pretty sure I still took some years off my life and I had both.

5) Hold the paint can as upright as possible. If the can is tilted too much you will start shooting propellant instead of paint. This is especially true as you get low on paint.

6) The dust gets EVERYWHERE! The tiniest particles of paint immediately dry as they hit the air and settle out all over the room. This creates dust that is so fine it will go right through drop cloths. I had a drop cloth down to cover some carpet but the dust worked its way through in some spots. Cover everything that shouldn't have dust on it with PLASTIC or tape.

Hope these help someone else. lol

And yes I am still looking for side cover badges. Do you have some?

IW

UncleD · « **Reply #89 on:** December 04, 2012, 09:15:11 AM »

IW, one thing I read somewhere in this forum is to warm up the paint can in warm/hot water before and during painting. It helps to keep the paint flow better. I do this all the time now and I think it really helps.

iron_worker · « **Reply #90 on:** December 04, 2012, 10:24:03 AM »

Well they were stored at room temp not in a garage so they shouldn't have been too cool but ya that may have helped a bit as well. Possibly would allow the paint to flow a bit better once it's on the surface and level itself.

IW

Killer Canary · « **Reply #91 on:** December 04, 2012, 06:20:43 PM »

I see that I only have one badge. If you can use any of this let me know. The price is right.

iron_worker · « **Reply #92 on:** December 04, 2012, 07:09:31 PM »

So here are the pics as promised of the much more successful round of painting...

All the black parts painted this go around... probably shouldn't have taken the picture on a black surface. lol

Surface finish I'm dealing with. The flash makes it look worse than it is. There is a slight texture though.

This is a more accurate representation of what it looks like in person. Looks pretty good to me.

The frame sittin on whats left of that horrid paint "booth" ... oh the nightmares I will have!

A semi blurry close up.

This picture makes it look terrible but that's actually just a bit of dust.

The silver batch. Pretty happy with how these parts turned out too. I will be painting my hubs and engine cases the same color so it all matches.

Really happy with this piece.

Forks turned out pretty nice too. I opted to paint as opposed to polish because I wanted a low maintenance machine when it's done. Just ride!

... and my new thermostat controlled solution heater for zinc plating. I'm nervous to start messing with it but excited too.

Overall, I'm pleased with my painting results. I will have a couple pieces that I may touch up but I have another round of painting yet to go once the hubs get pulled and the cases split. I was really thinking I should have done powder coat for a while but looking back maybe this was an ok choice. It cost me $350 to blast all the parts and probably about $150 for paint, a respirator, goggles, plastic, 2x4s, sandpaper, etc. Powder coat was going to be ~$700 just for the black pieces and I estimate probably close to $1200 for both colors (thank you, industry...) So for about half of the price of powder coat I got decent results ... and I learned a lot about painting! So I think I'm now happy with decision. However, if schedule were more of a driver then definitely powder coat would be the way to go. One guy to deal with and done.

IW

iron_worker · « **Reply #93 on:** December 04, 2012, 07:11:24 PM »

Oh and Killer Canary I think I am missing the one "750four" emblems from the side covers as well as the little triangle piece. Are they the same for both sides?

I think my tank emblems should be reusable.

IW

Killer Canary · « **Reply #94 on:** December 05, 2012, 04:22:03 AM »

I think both sides are the same but I've never owned a 750. I know that the badges changed a few times over the years. Mine has the diamond separate from the script; I have one 750 badge and two diamonds, one minus the amber insert.

iron_worker · « **Reply #95 on:** December 05, 2012, 07:43:40 PM »

Well I had a couple hours to burn 2nite and it feels like I wasn't very productive ... ha

I started by cleaning the floor.

There was some remaining paint goo on the floor... yum.

Then I got to inventing ... needed to figure out a way to hold my immersion heater in place. The element can't touch the plastic since it could melt through. This is what I came up with ... Simple? Yes. Hack? Yes. Idiotic? Yes. lol but it should work.

A bit of clearance for the element. This heater will be used for the degreasing solution and also the plating solution which are at different temperatures. I found out that although the unit does have a built in adjustable thermostat ... it does not have a thermometer. So I guess I'll have to go me a thermometer.

Still need to install my GFCI plug and figure out how to work the pump... I think it's just submersible?

Some other safety equipment I've got on hand which will be good to have.

I still need to figure out a way to attach the anodes to the pail, make the copper tank bar, mix up all the solutions, etc. Hopefully I can do some test plating this weekend.

IW

jerry h · « **Reply #96 on:** December 06, 2012, 09:54:13 PM »

IW - looking good... Painting a frame is a hard task, even with a proper shop, lighting etc, there's so many angles and bends to cover, you did it, and in the smallest space possible!

iron_worker · « **Reply #97 on:** December 07, 2012, 05:46:27 AM »

It took a couple attempts but I got it. ha

Thanks for lookin.

IW

iron_worker · « **Reply #98 on:** December 07, 2012, 10:03:23 AM »

I've finally found the elusive glass thermometer. $10 at a local beer + wine making supply shop. Nice.

Looks like I should be pretty much set up to give plating a go this weekend. Woo! I hope to update with pics soon.

IW

Z-MO · « **Reply #99 on:** December 07, 2012, 12:36:06 PM »

Lookin good. I'm pretty stoked to hear about, and see pics of, your plating experience. Keep it up!

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