Author Topic: 350f, Bonneville bound. (Read 49630 times)

MondayLSR · « **Reply #50 on:** November 30, 2012, 02:46:46 PM »

thanks guys

There is a SCTA record @ 107mph iirc, but there is no AMA record. (we are running BUB which is AMA)

I would be happy to break 120mph.

scottly · « **Reply #51 on:** November 30, 2012, 05:31:08 PM »

Are you planning on doing anything to get the tops of the fork tubes lower? They look like they will be in your face at full tuck...

MondayLSR · « **Reply #52 on:** November 30, 2012, 08:05:39 PM »

Yeah. They will be internally lowered/shortened.

POPS 911 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:32:38 PM »

MONDAY: Before the long drive west you could go over to Wilmington,Ohio at the old Clinton county [ DHL] airport for the ECTA-LSR.COM land speed races = short drive from INDY. GUY CAPUTO of TIGER RACING in Toledo,Oh is the contact person at 419-478-7552 they moved the event North from MAXTON AIRPORT in NC as most land speed racers said that track was unsafe. The Clinton County airport is in great shape and really long, like 747- 777- L10L - BIG cargo PLANES that needed long runways. Going to go run my HONDAMATIC'S at these events for a different run then the 1320' at a drag strip. Guy was a writer for the DRAGBIKE.COM site for many years and his brother was a PRO-MOD DRAGBIKE racer.

POPS BK911

MondayLSR · « **Reply #54 on:** December 03, 2012, 07:59:22 PM »

Thanks for the info! First race in April. I doubt I will be ready for that

We had planned to hit one of these events up before BUB, but I hadnt actually looked into the organization yet. I feel like winter is almost over already....I need more time! :p

Small update. --- Got the mock motor back in the chassis and took it over to my buddy Daves. We are building the exhaust manifold, intake manifold, and intercooler. Also got a dohc cb750 clutch in the mail. it could be made to work but damn its huge

Now I have a cb550 headed this way. gotta love ebay. A buddy laser jet a flange for the turbo inlet.

daves twin 6262 mustang.

POPS 911 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 04, 2012, 04:27:01 AM »

MONDAY LSR: Go over to Gasoline Alley Rd. off of ROCKMILL Rd. to Fast Lane Cycles tell Mark Gardner the owner to hook you up with the guys in that complex that have the small TURBO HONDA 50-100cc [ A Doctor from Methodist Hospital ] that run at the salt flats. The ENGLISH machist makes all the parts for that bike, tell Mark that POPS [ from Columbus, Ohio = his hometown ] sent you over to him = MARK has a DYNO in his shop !!!!!

POPS BK911

MondayLSR · « **Reply #56 on:** December 04, 2012, 04:43:10 AM »

. Awesome! Will do, Thanks.

MondayDad · « **Reply #57 on:** December 17, 2012, 09:05:16 PM »

It's been a few days since the last post, but that doesn't mean that nothing has happened on the bike. It means that we've (especially Matt) been busy!

Holidays? From a project? Naaah.

Metal in various sizes and shapes has been arriving at my house (along with various clutches) and promptly transported to where ever the project is at the time. Matt has decided that he can locate the turbo on the left side after all, which will be better for balance, but the cover over the starter will be sacrificed. We believe we've found a clutch that can be made to work, though it will still require some effort to get there. Let's just say that it's a lot less work than the 750 clutch was going to be. (Anyone need a 750 clutch?) The 4-into-1 exhaust was about half-done a week ago, so should be done by now. The intake manifold is underway, with the flange pretty much done (some additional grinding in process) and not too far away from welding on the intake runners. I don't think he's started porting the intake side of the head yet, so some final matching will surely be required. I'll let him post the pictures and fill in details...

Ethan Stiles (of S&M Fab - see picture above), Matt and I went to the International Motorsports Industry Show in Indianapolis last weekend. It's nice when the performance equipment/tool folks come to your home town! Made some more connections, talked with lots of suppliers and picked up a ton (literally, I think!) of literature. IMIS was recently bought out by PRI, so the show next year will be even bigger than before PRI moved to Tampa. You'd think that racers wouldn't want to come to Indy in December, but they certainly do! There even used to be a walking tour of Gasoline Alley where a lot of race shops and businesses were located. (That area has lost tenants for the last few years as the shops have moved to the suburbs, especially the Indy-west town of Brownsburg.) While at IMIS, we did see the fastest piston engined Bonneville car on display along with some video of their effort. He got a top speed of something like 462mph... 2 big turbos on that motor! BIG.

MondayDad

Greggo · « **Reply #58 on:** December 19, 2012, 05:23:47 PM »

Very Cool Project

POPS 911 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 20, 2012, 04:37:15 AM »

Monday: Ask Mark at FAST LANE CYCLES on Gasoline Alley to hook you up with "SHARKIE " the head guy that can do wonders with your head........ he lives near Brownsburg and has a flow bench and a top shop at his home. His BUSA heads are the best and flow better than V&H.

POPS BK911

MondayLSR · « **Reply #60 on:** December 22, 2012, 07:37:00 PM »

busy busy busy!

Like dad said, been working on intake manifold and exhaust manifold fabrication. Will have pictures of the exhaust manifold soon..... here are some I can post though

Lil Smokey again!

Currently the exhaust manifold is built up to the collector. Need to straighten up the ends to weld the "bullet" into the middle before attaching the collector. Intake has head flange, ports plenum flange, and throttle body flanges built.....need to make the final decision on runner length and cut the runners and weld them on. then radius the plenum plate into the runners, then build the plenum to the throttle body flange.

POPS 911 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 27, 2012, 08:28:35 AM »

GOT A DEAL FOR YOU ! WILL GIVE YOU A 1976 CB750A COMPLETE RUNNING W/TITLE YOU BUILD A TURBO FOR IT AND BUILD ME ONE FOR ONE OF MY 1978 CB750A. I CAN BRING IT OVER TO INDY DURING THE DEALER SHOW IN FEBRUARY DOWNTOWN ON MY SMALL TRAILER.

POPS BK911

Dyrden · « **Reply #62 on:** December 27, 2012, 08:38:34 AM »

Yes! This is what Im talking about. Carry on, Im along for the ride.

MondayLSR · « **Reply #63 on:** December 27, 2012, 01:49:05 PM »

Quote from: POPS 911 on December 27, 2012, 08:28:35 AM

GOT A DEAL FOR YOU ! WILL GIVE YOU A 1976 CB750A COMPLETE RUNNING W/TITLE YOU BUILD A TURBO FOR IT AND BUILD ME ONE FOR ONE OF MY 1978 CB750A. I CAN BRING IT OVER TO INDY DURING THE DEALER SHOW IN FEBRUARY DOWNTOWN ON MY SMALL TRAILER.

POPS BK911

Interesting proposition.... Give me some time to see where this project will be then and we will see. I dont want to start anything new until this is done. What kind of hp goal do you have in mind for it? fuel injected or carb?

photo overload!!! If anyone wants more pictures of anything let me know, I most likely have them

POPS 911 · « **Reply #64 on:** December 28, 2012, 05:14:53 AM »

JUST ONE CARB= KEEP IT SIMPLE, no brain box just a right hand open her up, down the 1320', low boost, why blow up a good stock motor ? If I want speed all motor 68" BUSA 8.05 is no problem. Ask Mark at FAST LANE CYCLE about many fast bikes !!!!!! over the year we all worked on.

POPS BK911

MondayLSR · « **Reply #65 on:** December 31, 2012, 06:48:57 AM »

I don't have any first hand experience with a carb turbo setup, so I don't think I'm your guy. I like fuel injection because it allows me to run a proper intake plenum. With a single carb, I would be too worried to explode any style plenum if it ever back fired. The only way for a proper carb setup IMO would be 4 carbs, with a plenum in front for them to pull air from. (Basically like stock, but pressurize the air box. Obviously it would all need to be made strong enough to handle the psi)

I could help you pick a turbo for a power goal. Got any links to a website that has some info/pictures on your bikes? (Busa, etc)

POPS 911 · « **Reply #66 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:38:00 AM »

MONDAY: You must be SHELDON COOPER from the TV show BIG BANG if you can build a brain box for the fuel injection throttle bodies and not the simple one carb-dump tube old style turbo set up that been around since KAWASAKI sold a ZIR w/ a TURBO IN 1978....... Look on this site at BILL-BENT-ON-RACING 750-4 HONDA CARB TURBO bike same motor as a 4- Matic , I'M sure he would post you a million pictures or more !!! FREE 750-4 HONDA to you, maybe you could become the JESSE JAMES of the EAST as those pipes look good going down the left in the way of the shifter ? Seen that years ago from a bad ass drag racer from Kokomo Indiana name COX and I asked why = in the way, just different. He won TOP GAS being different.

POPS BK911

MondayLSR · « **Reply #67 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:01:12 PM »

I'm no Jesse James or any of the other smart guys you mention. Just working off the knowledge I have gained thus far.

I tried searching for the bill bent on racing, but didn't come up with anything...? Have a link? I know carb turbo setups have been around for ages....I just feel they are a bit flawed usually. Again, I have no first hand experience with them, so I might just be naive. From my knowledge, you really want a large plenum of air that each runner can pull from. In doing so, you can also optimize the runner, pulse, ram effect.

I'm not doing anything just to be different though. I am really just trying to test a few of my ideas with the hope of learning first hand knowledge. I always joke that you can find the answer you're looking for if you just ask the question on google the right way. (Wrong or right). There is nothing more enjoyable to me than doing trial and error and seeing results, or failure. That's what's it's all about imo.

Lets just see how this goes, you might not want my help by the end!

lol

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #68 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:06:11 PM »

Same motor POPS....not the same CLUTCH!!!!!! Don't know about boost and auto's......that clutch was designed originally for 75-80 Honda Civic.....not a lot of HP there,ok stock theres not!!

I'd imagine Jon Weeks has an opinion on this!

My turbo set up putting out a little over 102 RWHP!

The Automatic put out 87.07 on it's 3rd run,loses 10-12 thru converter! Stock was 38.9.They can probably take the H/P,can they take the initial hit without slipping? Bill
Oh yeh,LSR,NICE work!!!!!!!

scottly · « **Reply #69 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:24:21 PM »

Quote from: MondayLSR on January 02, 2013, 06:01:12 PM

. also optimize the runner, pulse, ram effect.

The pulse-ram effect doesn't matter much, once you introduce supercharging.

MRieck · « **Reply #70 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:41:15 PM »

Quote from: scottly on January 02, 2013, 06:24:21 PM

Quote from: MondayLSR on January 02, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
. also optimize the runner, pulse, ram effect.

The pulse-ram effect doesn't matter much, once you introduce supercharging.

I agree. Shortest route in general with good management of boost and timing retard. Kind of like nitrous in regard to the timing management. It's all about cylinder pressure with both of those systems.

scottly · « **Reply #71 on:** January 02, 2013, 06:48:02 PM »

The long header tubes won't help much on a turbo; at the least, they will need to be wrapped to reduce heat loss.

MondayLSR · « **Reply #72 on:** January 02, 2013, 07:57:06 PM »

Quote from: Bill/BentON Racing on January 02, 2013, 06:06:11 PM

Same motor POPS....not the same CLUTCH!!!!!! Don't know about boost and auto's......that clutch was designed originally for 75-80 Honda Civic.....not a lot of HP there,ok stock theres not!!
I'd imagine Jon Weeks has an opinion on this! My turbo set up putting out a little over 102 RWHP!
The Automatic put out 87.07 on it's 3rd run,loses 10-12 thru converter! Stock was 38.9.They can probably take the H/P,can they take the initial hit without slipping? Bill
Oh yeh,LSR,NICE work!!!!!!!

Ahhhh, that Benton.

102 is no joke! I bet it flew down the back half! I have been trying to keep up with your purple haze project. It's coming together nicely!

Scottly/mrieck, why doesn't it matter with a supercharged setup? What about the psi difference effects the pulse of the intake tract?

scottly · « **Reply #73 on:** January 02, 2013, 08:10:23 PM »

At best, a tuned intake might produce 1-2 pounds, but only at one specific RPM. A properly set-up turbo, even mild, will produce 7 pounds over a wide RPM range. Also, the turbo will disrupt the pulses, both on the intake and exhaust sides.

MondayLSR · « **Reply #74 on:** January 02, 2013, 08:17:10 PM »

I respect your opinion, but I will agree to disagree that a turbo disrupts the pulses.

I really wanted to design the runners to be easily changed to test different lengths on the dyno. For simplicity I started to decide against it. Maybe I will just go ahead and do it to see what I find.

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