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Offline Irukandji

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Caliper piston grease test
« on: November 06, 2012, 09:17:06 AM »
Unless you're a bike rebuilder or have alot of bikes, there's no reason to have a large tube of Dow Vacuum Grease.

 I decided to use TwoTireds test on a Plumbers Silicone Grease that I picked up at Lowes. It had the same results as the Dow brand. Started he test at 300 degrees on up to the max of my gas oven. Sample was 3/4 square by 3/8 high.
 The brand was GUNK. It said that it had no petroleum additives. Cost $3.50 for 1/2 oz. Plenty for the average joe.
It had an address of Radiator Specialty co. out of Charlotte NC.
  TT or Anyone can confirm test if he chooses to. Only thing is the Lowes web site lists a different brand. GUNK brand is available at my store.
  Hope this helps those who don't need a large supply
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 09:41:22 AM »

Not to take away from your test.... but while on topic .... here's an option I found to buy a small amout of the Dow HVG if one should want to go that route-   1/4oz, should be plenty, for $6.70 (shipping incl)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOW-CORNING-Laboratory-High-Vacuum-Grease-976V-Stopcock-/280617417858?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415619fc82

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 09:58:44 AM »
I got mine on ebay too in little bit bigger box.
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Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 10:03:51 AM »
Ok so in the middle of a build (like everyone else) and well this is my first bike build too so I have 2 questions. Am I suppose to grease the piston upon assembly? Would the rubber seal ring in caliper handle this?

Also can we get a section dedicated to these little test thing. (this and that gap question on the forks) these are the tidbits most will overlook or never notice.

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 11:40:54 AM »
The Dow HVG goes on the back of the pad.  I also purchased one of the small containers on ebay.  I also purchased some brake assembly lube off of ebay.  That was used to coat the piston, seals, and in my case the slide pins (GL1000 brakes).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilwood-290-11087-Brake-Assembly-Lube-/200744167384?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ebd48e7d8&vxp=mtr

ncstate...I would just send you my stuff to use for assembly and send it back for the cost of shipping, but by the time you paid for that you could probably just buy your own.
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 12:32:44 PM »
I've got to be missing something, what is being lubed in the assembly? And for anything like this couldn't I use this stuff?

 http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_ultra-disc-brake-caliper-lube-permatex_7730004-p

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 12:58:26 PM »
Just the rubber O ring
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 01:08:45 PM »
Unless you're a bike rebuilder or have alot of bikes, there's no reason to have a large tube of Dow Vacuum Grease.

 I decided to use TwoTireds test on a Plumbers Silicone Grease that I picked up at Lowes. It had the same results as the Dow brand. Started he test at 300 degrees on up to the max of my gas oven. Sample was 3/4 square by 3/8 high.
 The brand was GUNK. It said that it had no petroleum additives. Cost $3.50 for 1/2 oz. Plenty for the average joe.
It had an address of Radiator Specialty co. out of Charlotte NC.
  TT or Anyone can confirm test if he chooses to. Only thing is the Lowes web site lists a different brand. GUNK brand is available at my store.
  Hope this helps those who don't need a large supply

I have no reason to buy and test anything else, as I now have enough of the Dow stuff to last the rest of my life.  (I've found lots of other uses/applications for it as well.)

But, I would like you to expand on the test report.  Namely...
What was the peak oven temp, and how long did you hold the sample at that temp?
Was there any phase change, grease to oil, or any oozing?
Was the there any movement or shape change of the test grease?
Any smoking or vapor release?

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 01:16:15 PM »
all you need to know about what goes where in caliper reconditioning is in this thread....

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=104349.0
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 01:35:23 PM »
I've got to be missing something, what is being lubed in the assembly? And for anything like this couldn't I use this stuff?

There has to be twenty or more threads on this topic in the forum already.

However, the fundamentals are; that only the square section seal needs to be lubed for assembly.  And, the silicone grease is NOT for that, as you really don't want silicone inside with the brake fluid to wander about the fluid system.  There IS a brake parts assembly lube for this purpose, which works better for the long term than simply using brake fluid as a lube.

The silicone grease is only used as a water barrier behind the pad and on other exposed metal surfaces where water can invade.  The silicone grease does not mix with water (or anything else), so it will shed the water and stop it from contacting the metals.  It is also temperature stable, meaning if you heat it, it still stays where placed.  Any lubricative value the grease has, it NOT required for the SOHC4 brake caliper.

The SOHC4 caliper, is quite different in design details from automotive calipers that DO need some grease lubrication.  Most automotive disk lubes are petroleum based and ignore the phase separation and temperature stability properties, the SOHC4 caliper requires.  Disk brake grease is focused upon retaining lubrication quality at high temps and have other seals or design features to keep it in place when is starts to ooze.  This primary quality is NOT what is needed for the SOHC4 caliper)
Petroleum products will often combine with water.  And will phase change an weep oil away from it's placement (under heat or without).  If you don't mind this oil creeping into your friction pad and onto your SOHC4 rotor, then use whatever you want.  Many have, without understanding the material being used (assumptions).

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 04:08:00 PM »
TwoTired asked.........

I have no reason to buy and test anything else, as I now have enough of the Dow stuff to last the rest of my life.  (I've found lots of other uses/applications for it as well.)

But, I would like you to expand on the test report.  Namely...
What was the peak oven temp, and how long did you hold the sample at that temp?
Was there any phase change, grease to oil, or any oozing?
Was the there any movement or shape change of the test grease?
Any smoking or vapor release?

Thanks,

 Started test at 200*   as I felt there would no real change at that point.
 Each 50* temp change was left for 15 minutes/with a 5 min. wait period to next 15 min. duration. Each change was at above the stove dial by 25* according to dial thermo set next to sample.
 No phase change or ect. to sample except slow skining (as I think you noted in your test ?)
 No smoking but there was vapor in the house being vented by oven hood.
 Peak temp had to be 550 + as high as thermo went.

 I  guess that it could have been DCHV rebrand. If not it seemed stable.
 I'm not countering your test, you the man on this subject. I just was looking for any easier source.
If you think my test was in anyway bogus results, I defer to the Dow Brand name .
 
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 04:29:19 PM »
If there was vapor in the house, then it was out gassing something, and surely must be changing its physical properties in some way.  Dow corning HVG doesn't do that.   The only thing I noticed during my test is that it sort of glistened slightly more in appearance at max temp.  It never skinned over. And, when cooled it looked and behaved exactly the same as before the test.  Otherwise, it didn't matter what temp it encountered, it kept the same grease viscosity at all temps.  Never any vapor or odor at all.

I remember wondering if it was something from another solar system.  ;D

For the stuff you tested, did you look at the MSDS to see what chemicals were in it?

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 04:41:02 PM »
TT.... I dont know how to interpet these , would you take a look at it?

http://www.rscbrands.com/products/msds/GR2V.PDF
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 04:58:16 PM »
TT.... I dont know how to interpet these , would you take a look at it?

http://www.rscbrands.com/products/msds/GR2V.PDF

Looks like pure silicone.  Pretty much the same ingredients as HVG.   Kinda surprised it gave off a vapor.
Did you use an electric oven or a gas one?

I used one heated with natural gas.

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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 05:24:39 PM »
Nat gas........lower third shelf.

Think I'm good to use my grease??
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Re: Caliper piston grease test
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 05:55:53 PM »
Yes.
Remember, it's not for the piston seal. It's for a thin coat on all the metal parts behind the friction pad to keep water from making contact.

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