Author Topic: Sanity Check Please!!!! RE: Oil Change (Read 3423 times)

brad · « **on:** July 08, 2006, 03:58:37 PM »

I just drained all the oil from the tank and the oil pan, then removed and replaced the oil filter. I kicked a couple of times as the clymer manual sugests. I assumed all 3.7 Quarts had been drained. I then pour 3 Quarts of oil into the tank. Low and behold there is WAY too much oil in there. Am I missing something? Am I a complete boob? Can someone shed some light on what I may have done wrong or what step I have skipped?

Its a 76 750 F.

-Brad

quietlikeachurch · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:43:43 PM »

3 quarts is normal on my 750F. Start and run the engine until the level in the oil tank starts to go down and it should be at the full mark on the dipstick. If not, just top it up. In my experience the 3.7qts is very optimistic.

-Ian

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:53:52 PM »

Funny you should mention this.

http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=11476.0

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:54:34 PM »

I think that .7 qt was meant as backup for the miles between oil changes when we all lose oil from the head gasket.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:57:51 PM »

I'm going to figure this difference out if it kills me.

I did just have a rare thought. When I do an oil change, I do the tank first, then put the plug back in and move on to the pan and filter. When kicking it over to get the last of the oil out, is some oil from the pump going back up to the tank? Should I be leaving the tank plug out also when kicking it over?

Ponder, ponder. $:-\$

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:01:45 PM »

Nah, you're just a complete boob mate, ha ha! Seriously though, unless you drop the sump pan off, drain the oil filter, oil tank, and kick that engine over until there is nothing hiding in the head, transmission etc, you'll never get 3.7 quarts into it. There's just too much residual hiding in low spots. if you strip the engine entirely, then you'll get it all in, no worries! Cheers, Terry.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:04:14 PM »

So how are some getting 3.7 qts in theirs?

Signed: Complete Boob

Jonesy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:09:30 PM »

Hate to burst your bubble, Bob- but I just proved Terry right! I just got around 3.7 quarts into the 750 I was just working on... however, every oil gallery had been drained and cleaned out in the motor, so it was completely "dry".

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Jonesy on July 08, 2006, 06:09:30 PM

Hate to burst your bubble, Bob- but I just proved Terry right! I just got around 3.7 quarts into the 750 I was just working on... however, every oil gallery had been drained and cleaned out in the motor, so it was completely "dry".

That's cheating.

I'm under the impression some are getting 3.7 in on a routine oil change.

HondaMan · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:13:02 PM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on July 08, 2006, 06:04:14 PM

So how are some getting 3.7 qts in theirs?

Signed: Complete Boob

This IS curious. I've changed a LOT of oil on a LOT of CB750s, and all of them easily accepted the 3.7 qts. The K0 actually held 4.0 qts, first 4-5 months of production (bigger, square-er oil tank at the top was the reason, then Honda changed the manual and the dipstick). I usually run 4.0 qts. in my K2, doesn't cause any problems.

The sequence I've always used: drain tank first, then crankcase and filter housing at the same time, then remove filter. On reinstall, kick over 40-50 times until the oil light goes out (maybe add another few electric-start seconds for good luck), then start & run 1-2 minutes, stop and check level.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:18:19 PM »

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On reinstall, kick over 40-50 times

Good grief, 40-50 times?! Hmm, I will give this routine a try next time and see. Where is that extra quart in my bike?

Terry, did you steal it?

Of course, it this it true, I've probably never had really clean oil after a change if there's a quart of dirty left in there.

cbjunkie · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:29:27 PM »

that's exactly what i was thinking, bob...good grief.

bet Hman's right calf muscle looks like a bag of billiard balls...

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:41:09 PM »

Quote from: cbjunkie on July 08, 2006, 06:29:27 PM

that's exactly what i was thinking, bob...good grief.

bet Hman's right calf muscle looks like a bag of billiard balls...

That's it men, check your oil an hour after an oil change and it looks pretty murky if there was all that stuff still lurking in your cases. I just bought the BMW I've been yakking about, now my mate (the PO) did an oil and filter change with new synthetic (as he's been using in it since almost new) last month and it's already as black as, so I'm guessing he didn't get all the old stuff out........... I just ordered a new oil/filter change kit, and I'll be making sure I get the bulk of the old stuff out this time. Cheers, Terry.

750goes · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:44:03 PM »

I'm crying thinking about my right leg, and how it's going to feel in a few months time when I get to do my first oil change..

I can see mondayitis coming on....

Terry, why haven't you changed the oil yet - too busy riding

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:49:13 PM »

Ken Oath Charlie, I

'm sick of spinning spanners, ha ha!

cbjunkie · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:56:36 PM »

i know it's not a Honda, but i wish you could post a couple of photos and keep us posted on the work, Terry - as you know I'm hatching a plot to move into one of these myself...

Are you on a web forum like this one for th beemie?

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:58:06 PM »

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That's it men, check your oil an hour after an oil change and it looks pretty murky if there was all that stuff still lurking in your cases.

There's another twist that doesn't fit. After about 400 miles it still looks pretty clean. Hmmm. Oh well.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2006, 07:16:45 PM »

Your oil pump's probably as clogged as your arteries Bob, ha ha!

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #18 on:** July 08, 2006, 07:18:33 PM »

Quote from: cbjunkie on July 08, 2006, 06:56:36 PM

i know it's not a Honda, but i wish you could post a couple of photos and keep us posted on the work, Terry - as you know I'm hatching a plot to move into one of these myself...

Are you on a web forum like this one for th beemie?

I will mate, as soon as I get off this thing and go for a ride so there's some decent background scenery, and not just my driveway, ha ha! I'll post 'em when i get back tonight. Cheers, Terry.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #19 on:** July 08, 2006, 07:26:18 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on July 08, 2006, 07:16:45 PM

Your oil pump's probably as clogged as your arteries Bob, ha ha!

That would be oilterialsclorosis, right?

csiress2 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:15:29 PM »

Speaking of oil change, about what mileage should I be changing my oil and filter in a '73 CB350F?

Craig II
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DaveInTexas · « **Reply #21 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:18:54 PM »

What are the consequences of overfilling the oil reservoir?
a) catastrophic global meltdown
b) minor levels of urban carnage
c) a bit less dinosaur decay available for the next generation
d) no biggie

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #22 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:24:23 PM »

Quote from: DaveInTexas on July 08, 2006, 08:18:54 PM

What are the consequences of overfilling the oil reservoir?
a) catastrophic global meltdown
b) minor levels of urban carnage
c) a bit less dinosaur decay available for the next generation
d) no biggie

Depends on by how much. Just a wee bit, no biggie probably. More than that, an oil version of Lake Erie on your garage floor.

You can take it back down to the correct level with a turkey baster. Guess how I know.

cbjunkie · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:29:24 PM »

that's the last time you sneak the turkey baster out of the kitchen, i'll bet! i'm surprised you're still alive to tell the tale...

Orcinus · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2006, 09:06:45 PM »

Don't think I want to eat Thanksgiving at Bob's house...

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #25 on:** July 09, 2006, 02:45:48 AM »

Quote from: Orcinus on July 08, 2006, 09:06:45 PM

Don't think I want to eat Thanksgiving at Bob's house...

Come to think of it, all the vittles slid down real easy during the holidays.

mcpuffett · « **Reply #26 on:** July 09, 2006, 03:00:20 AM »

hi all , done the turkey baster thing my self

, mick.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #27 on:** July 09, 2006, 03:53:46 AM »

Well here in Oz we just found out what a "Turkey slappin" is all about, so what the hell is a "Turkey Baster"?

Orcinus · « **Reply #28 on:** July 09, 2006, 05:41:58 AM »

Looks like a foot long Eye Dropper. Used to suck up and dispense fluids to either dispense over roasting meat, or to empty out petroleum products from 35 year old motorcycles....

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #29 on:** July 09, 2006, 06:45:38 AM »

And not to be used in the strange Auzzie courting ritual of "turkey slappin."

jaknight · « **Reply #30 on:** July 09, 2006, 01:38:23 PM »

It's incredibly strange how some things happen/work out/take place........

From day number one with my '74 CB750 K4, I have always installed 3.7 quarts of oil with out any hassles/problems at all...........

Must be harmonic vibrations of the dark side of the force intercepting powers of the light side.....

.........
~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #31 on:** July 09, 2006, 02:43:27 PM »

Or, as in my case, my extra quart of oil has been kidnapped by, I suspect Terry, who is holding it for ransom.

jdpas29 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 09, 2006, 05:01:31 PM »

so exactly when is the best time to check your oil level... because i get different readings after rides than i do when the bike is cold and it's driving me nuts. i don't like to ride with the oil at the very top of the dipstick because it seems like my slight tach cable leak becomes a little worse if the oil level is high. but i'm having a hard time keeping the oil at a good level (or at least knowing when to read the dipstick)

any ideas?

jaknight · « **Reply #33 on:** July 09, 2006, 05:55:44 PM »

Hi jdpas29,

Get your bike up on the center stand on a level surface. Start your bike's motor and let it warm up a little - - - - a 1 minute run should be good enough. Stop the engine, pull the cap on the oil tank, wipe the dipstick clean with a rag.

I only know that on my '74 750 K4, I am supposed to check the oil level by letting the cap sit on top of the neck; not by "screwing" it in to its final rest position. Now, check the oil residue marks in regards to the low and totally full marks.

If low, add oil judiciously; if over filled, bail out oil with a bucket.........

P.S. I have been told that an over full oil tank will cause oil to bypass a bad "O" ring at the tachometer engine mount position.

~ ~ ~ jaknight ~ ~ ~

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #34 on:** July 09, 2006, 06:23:09 PM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on July 09, 2006, 02:43:27 PM

Or, as in my case, my extra quart of oil has been kidnapped by, I suspect Terry, who is holding it for ransom.

Thassit Bob, all that spare black gold is gonna be my retirement "nest egg", ha ha! Now "Turkey Slappin" is something young fellers apparently do to young women with their private dangly parts, (or at least on late night "reality" programmes) but it doesn't involve any mechanical devices, ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

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Author Topic: Sanity Check Please!!!! RE: Oil Change (Read 3423 times)

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