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Just for fitment sake, if these were turned to be angled down, even though they are 38mm in length, they should fit and clear the frame on a cb550 yes?
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 07:27:51 AM »
Doubt it. The space between the carbs and frame is tight. I had to do nasty things to some cheap pods to get em to fit... I think k&n still makes a set that fits, at a price though...

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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 07:42:49 AM »
Doubt it. The space between the carbs and frame is tight. I had to do nasty things to some cheap pods to get em to fit... I think k&n still makes a set that fits, at a price though...

+1, I managed to find a set of cheap Emgo pods part# 12-55735 that fit perfect but had the same carb tuning issues associated with running pod filters. I got tired of that BS, got new reproduction air box boots and put the original air box back on.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 08:14:40 AM »
That's my problem, I would run the stock air box, but mine didnt come with one when I bought it. Ugh. and since I havnt seen any of the pieces in person, it's hard to know what to buy on ebay, what will fit my 76 cb550 etc. I searched here but there are just too many options for me to figure it out.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 08:52:29 AM »
I run these short fat UNI pods on my 71 500.


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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 09:01:39 AM »
Those are some cool looking pods. The uni brand wouldn't fit my 74 550 they are scrunched up on the outside carbs. But the uni brand seem to do a pretty good job.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:30:36 AM »
Well also if anyone has a way to fabricate or explain to me all the pieces of the stock air box, I would appreciate it. I'm getting a new-to-me set of carbs thanks to a generous fellow forum member and he told me they are set up to run on the stock box, but all I have are pods. What is my easiest option? Pop the pods on and see if it runs fine to start with? Then up the jet size? Also I have no clue how to adjust the needle clip or what that even affects?
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 10:46:05 AM »
Pods are pods.
IF you do not have the stock exhaust or if you have aftermarket exhaust and pods you will have to re jet.

But you do not seem to ask what jet ,needles or idle jet to use with pods, and so many on this forum already have it figured out.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 10:53:12 AM »
just tossing pods on is a quick way to burn a hole in the piston, not saying it'll happen. but it could. if the carbs were jetted for a bone stock bike, you will most likely need to re-jet... type of exhaust will play into this too.

Here was my cheap, jobless and broke way of getting some filtration on my bike...



took 2 of the cheap emgo filters, cut 1/4 of it off... and epoxy'd the cap back on. is it ideal, no. is it running at its best, probably not. is it better than nothing... yup! as you can see they need to be changed (dirty as hell!) but my plugs look good, she fires first kick, and still gets me where im going. total cost, about $40. ive been flamed for this before, but till work starts flowin around here, i gotta do what i can!  :P

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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 11:19:57 AM »
With those small UNI pods I posted i have no clearance issues with a 71 cb500 with a 74 cb550 engine swapped in. Open exhaust and UNI pods with 100 mains and 38 pilots runs great.

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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 12:06:10 PM »
The Emgo part# I posted fit without any mods either. when installed the clearance between the frame and filters on the #1 and #4 carb was about 1/4 to 3/8".
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 12:14:09 PM »
Unis are the way to go.56 bucks for 4 shipped The perfect one are the PK3 the pk22 that are at most honda an yamaha shops carry the pk22 which is just a tad long but still fit good. They also just came out with the pk3 with a black cap which IMO looks alot better then the cheap chrome cap, have to order those direct from uni.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 02:22:36 PM »
Pods are pods.
IF you do not have the stock exhaust or if you have aftermarket exhaust and pods you will have to re jet.

But you do not seem to ask what jet ,needles or idle jet to use with pods, and so many on this forum already have it figured out.

So many THINK they have figured it out, i'll say it again for those that don't seem to understand, the stock carbs were designed to run with VELOCITY STACKS, not all carbs are but the keihins on our bikes were, Pods or even an airbox without velocity stacks will not run properly due to the disturbed air at the carb throat, without the correct length velocity stacks, for whatever application you choose to use your bike, the bike will NEVER run as well as it will with the stacks, and airbox in this situation...   So many on this forum know that for a fact.... :P
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2012, 02:57:56 PM »
Am I going to have to get some popcorn?  ::)
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 05:16:11 PM »
Am I going to have to get some popcorn?  ::)

No,  ;D  Its been gone over so many times on this forum, i'm only repeating how these carbs work. Seems some people either can't do a search or don't understand what they are reading...   There is a ton of well thought out and easy to understand info on the site.....    Flame away.... ;D
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 05:35:15 PM »
haha. thats why I didnt try to rekindle the fight over pods or no pods... I was just asking about fitment to start with! The air box is too complicated
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2012, 05:39:02 PM »
haha. thats why I didnt try to rekindle the fight over pods or no pods... I was just asking about fitment to start with! The air box is too complicated

Just pointing out that its the velocity stack that is the main problem, K&N used to make a pod with internal stack, not sure if they still do but that would be your best bet...
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2012, 06:27:34 PM »
Well also if anyone has a way to fabricate or explain to me all the pieces of the stock air box, I would appreciate it.

Look for posts by sohron (I think).  I recall he posted a picture of all the parts needed for a stock air box system.
An alternative is to look at the parts fiche (on line at Western hills Honda, for example).

Depending on year/model there are some differences in the top cover of the filter box.

As seems to be usual, this has all been discussed before.  ;D   You can rejet for pods to get it running well enough.  But, it won't run the best it can at all throttle settings.
Finally, I'll repeat that "pods" is not a functional specification, its a general style.

"Automobile" or "motorcycle" is a general style descriptor.  But, it doesn't define any more than a general appearance.

Not all "pods" have the same flow or pressure drop characteristics, particularly over the entire engine operating band.  Therefore, there is no "recipe" for your rejet unless you use the exact same parts that someone you trust has employed, tested, and proven at all throttle ranges.  Then you have to hope that the brand of pods you purchased was not made differently by the manufacturer or made in the same way as the ones employed by the person you trusted.  There can be manufacturing, material, and quality control issues for any brand, that needn't abide to Honda specifications or any specifications besides their own (assuming they actually have a specification besides mechanical fit).

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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2012, 08:36:40 PM »
haha. thats why I didnt try to rekindle the fight over pods or no pods... I was just asking about fitment to start with! The air box is too complicated

STOP NOW sell your bike do not ever take apart one of the carbs you will never get it back together. Not to mention get four of them to work together. Tuff love. ;D
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 08:44:03 PM »
haha. thats why I didnt try to rekindle the fight over pods or no pods... I was just asking about fitment to start with! The air box is too complicated

STOP NOW sell your bike do not ever take apart one of the carbs you will never get it back together. Not to mention get four of them to work together. Tuff love. ;D
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Haha, I do hope that was meant in a good natured way? That's how I'm taking it. Anyway, my comment before apparently got cut off from my phone. What I meant to say was that the options out there for what will fit my bike seem complicated, but I admit I do have a unique situation. I have a set of carbs that did not come with my bike, so getting an airbox to fit into my frame as well as onto the carbs is complicated. I dont want to be forced into moding a box to fit if I dont have to, the possibility of air leaks is too great, and I want a clean look. Sorry if that was confusing.

TooTired- I appreciate all your info as per usual :) but I really was just looking to get some comments on whether the 45 degree bend would fit better into the frame than the usual straight pipes, and maybe see if anyone has tried it.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 05:03:23 AM »
Am I going to have to get some popcorn?  ::)

No,  ;D  Its been gone over so many times on this forum, i'm only repeating how these carbs work. Seems some people either can't do a search or don't understand what they are reading...   There is a ton of well thought out and easy to understand info on the site.....    Flame away.... ;D

No flames intended RR in fact I agree with what you were stating which is why I ditched my pods and put the stock air box back on, it just seemed for a brief moment this thread was going to turn into a debate. :)
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 10:07:02 AM »
haha. thats why I didnt try to rekindle the fight over pods or no pods... I was just asking about fitment to start with! The air box is too complicated

STOP NOW sell your bike do not ever take apart one of the carbs you will never get it back together. Not to mention get four of them to work together. Tuff love. ;D
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Haha, I do hope that was meant in a good natured way? That's how I'm taking it. Anyway, my comment before apparently got cut off from my phone. What I meant to say was that the options out there for what will fit my bike seem complicated, but I admit I do have a unique situation. I have a set of carbs that did not come with my bike, so getting an airbox to fit into my frame as well as onto the carbs is complicated. I dont want to be forced into moding a box to fit if I dont have to, the possibility of air leaks is too great, and I want a clean look. Sorry if that was confusing.

TooTired- I appreciate all your info as per usual :) but I really was just looking to get some comments on whether the 45 degree bend would fit better into the frame than the usual straight pipes, and maybe see if anyone has tried it.


The stock airbox is a pretty simple set up.  Your unfamiliarity with it is putting you off from attempting to find the appropriate parts.  Retro Rocket's comment about velocity stacks IS the definitive answer.  Take a few minutes or an hour or so and find a parts fiche either at www.westernhillshonda.com, www.servicehonda.com or www.bikebandit.com and get the correct parts, your bike will run right with minimal fussing about.

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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2012, 11:11:48 AM »
Well also if anyone has a way to fabricate or explain to me all the pieces of the stock air box, I would appreciate it. I'm getting a new-to-me set of carbs thanks to a generous fellow forum member and he told me they are set up to run on the stock box, but all I have are pods. What is my easiest option? Pop the pods on and see if it runs fine to start with? Then up the jet size? Also I have no clue how to adjust the needle clip or what that even affects?

Haha, I do hope that was meant in a good natured way? That's how I'm taking it. Anyway, my comment before apparently got cut off from my phone. What I meant to say was that the options out there for what will fit my bike seem complicated, but I admit I do have a unique situation. I have a set of carbs that did not come with my bike, so getting an airbox to fit into my frame as well as onto the carbs is complicated. I dont want to be forced into moding a box to fit if I dont have to, the possibility of air leaks is too great, and I want a clean look. Sorry if that was confusing.

Well I guess nothing anyone said matters because we don't even know what carbs are on the bike. You might have told us that at the beginning. Got any pictures of them? Or give the numbers off the body

Here is a link to the air/box parts.  http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb550f-super-sport-550-four-1976-usa_model467/partslist/F++15.html#results

I would think you could find most of it on e/bay from people that take them off to run pods. It depends on how your carbs compare to the stock ones.
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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 08:24:29 AM »
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Well also if anyone has a way to fabricate or explain to me all the pieces of the stock air box, I would appreciate it.

You're in luck, my friend! Here's a pic of the airbox laid out for your perusal.




This thread     http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86697.msg1216567#msg1216567

will likely give you more info than you need, but explains the stock set-up pretty thoroughly.
This way, you can save some time and frustration by setting the bike up as it was intended. Really makes a huge difference!


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Re: I know pods have been discussed to death, but what about this type?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 10:57:55 AM »
For all the F models and the 77-78 CB550K, the filter box cover changed to a horn type and the cover was held in place by some stout/large wing nuts which are not in the picture.
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