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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #350 on: May 04, 2015, 12:07:53 PM »
You think the switch was down too far and binding against the drum? Extra O-ring raised it enough to prevent that?  Interesting fix, may try the same on the F engine in my K4...Larry

I suspect the shoulder of the switch against the drum groove edges, just dragging little bit. 

But I polished the switch  and gthere was no witness mark on it.



Very strange,  your problem was all the time right?   My 4th gear problem is only when hot.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #351 on: May 06, 2015, 03:37:39 PM »
Great news!

Looking great... I like the way the comstars look on your bike.

Just curious... how did the double o-rings on the neutral switch cause the shifting problem... and was the neutral light always on?

The double O-ring actually allowed me to shift all the way up and down and smoothly.  It tells me the problem is somewhere around the switch seating, but the shifting forks are - as far as I dare to say - okay.

Will try different switch now.

Oh... I read that wrong... the double o-ring solved the problem... interesting. 

Was it an aftermarket neutral switch?

Does your neutral switch go on and off correctly after adding the extra O-ring?



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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #352 on: May 07, 2015, 03:16:19 AM »
It came with the engine, not sure, looks original.

It goes in easy and out too, I have another one coming from  Bill Benton.

Will take her out on Saturday again and see what is what.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #353 on: May 09, 2015, 09:53:57 AM »
Put 35 miles on her today, now she shifts with just one o-ring on the neutral switch, seems like once I got her through 1-5 she fixed herself.

The speedo bounces around 60mph, will need to look into it, also the kick stand ďrags in left turns, need to tuck it in more.

Unlike the K0, that has significant kick at 4000 rpms, she pulls steady and without surprise from 1000 up.  Did not push her over 5000 rpms, new rings and such, she seems to be happy there - 1000 higher than K0.  Up hill in 5th there seems to be a hole, I may eventually go to 125 main jets.

The K0 pulls from stop like tractor, K3F needs more gas and clutch work.

She has an F3 cam advanced 4.5 degrees against original to bring the power band lower.

Overall, happy and pleased, hopefully I did not jinxed her.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #354 on: May 09, 2015, 10:42:19 PM »
Awesome!

Glad to hear the bike is feeling good through the shakedown/beak-in phase.

I wonder if the drum was just hanging up on some kind of debris that got in there during the build, and messing with the neutral switch moved things around enough to dislodge whatever was causing the problem.

Hopefully it's smooth sailing from here. 

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #355 on: May 10, 2015, 03:21:09 AM »
Yes, Chris, I have the same gut feeling.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #356 on: May 10, 2015, 06:03:55 AM »
Good to hear you (hopefully) have it solved. 
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Re: CB750 K3F
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #358 on: May 15, 2015, 01:56:16 PM »
Now we're talking!
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #359 on: May 15, 2015, 02:19:05 PM »
Now we're talking!

It was one of those weeks, took the pictures last Sunday, posted them today.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #360 on: May 15, 2015, 02:28:52 PM »
It looks much better up close.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #361 on: May 15, 2015, 06:06:48 PM »
very nice Prokop...Larry

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #362 on: May 15, 2015, 08:26:53 PM »
Very sharp!  8)
thanks, Mark
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #363 on: May 20, 2015, 07:40:44 PM »
+1 very nice.   The 1 thing I like most about this bike is the uniqueness. 
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #364 on: May 21, 2015, 04:58:36 AM »
+1 very nice.   The 1 thing I like most about this bike is the uniqueness.

Thank you  ;D

It's not like I dreamed it up, it kinda shaped itself by parts availability.

One thing I want to find are wheels from 79 SuperSport.  I believe they are tubeless Comstars and that's what I really want to have.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #365 on: May 21, 2015, 08:38:15 PM »
very nice, i like it!!!
thanks, Mark
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #366 on: June 03, 2015, 04:02:56 AM »
With the engine split on the bench, I am going over the transmission step by step.

The clutch looks like it was messed with before, the tab washer does not look factory bent.   Oh well, done the top end, I can as well rebuild the low end  :)

Looks like Partzilla has tab washers:  90431292000
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #367 on: June 03, 2015, 04:29:20 AM »
What happened?  Why did you have to pull the engine?
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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #368 on: June 03, 2015, 04:32:04 AM »
This:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,147098.msg1688991.html#msg1688991

Basically the shifting problem never went really away.  It seemed like I sorted it out, and it was good for ~100 miles or so, but it kept coming back.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #369 on: June 03, 2015, 06:35:27 AM »
What a bummer - right during Summer riding season. I hope you get it buttoned up and back out on the road soon.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #370 on: June 07, 2015, 03:46:23 PM »
The tool can be bought for twenty or so bucks  on ebay and other places, I spent several hours making it from chunk of 4140. 

But it makes me happy  ;D

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #371 on: June 07, 2015, 08:22:20 PM »
The tool can be bought for twenty or so bucks  on ebay and other places, I spent several hours making it from chunk of 4140. 

But it makes me happy  ;D




Handy tool to have, I am fortunate enough to have one left over from my days of wrenching...Larry

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #372 on: June 29, 2015, 11:36:14 AM »
Engine still open on the bench, working on the house instead.

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« Reply #373 on: June 30, 2015, 03:47:11 AM »
The second tool for the clutch.

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Re: CB750 K3F
« Reply #374 on: July 30, 2015, 04:42:06 AM »
Careful optimism is in order.

Assembled the bottom yesterday, the drum movement and shifting is silky smooth.

Could not find anything wrong with it, only took it apart, polished the shifting drum and the rod forks slide on, soaked it all in 20W50 and put back together.

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