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Offline Vossero

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My 78' is in a bunch of pieces, before i start doing everything i need, i want to get the engine firing.

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I have most of the pieces to the bike as far as i know...but im no mechanic, In my head, to get things running, I need the engine (obviously), the carbs, a bag or bladder for the fuel, and a battery...im not sure if the oil tank is needed but thats cuz i just dont know.

So im not asking for extreme details (unless anyone is inclined to do so), i just would love a step by step routine to get the engine running, i feel like it would be step 1, put the carbs on, step 2, put on the fuel lines or something...i really WOULD love some help guys haha, thanks a bunch!
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 05:57:24 PM »
You mentioned oil tank, I assume that your Ike is a 750?
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 05:58:44 PM »
Yeah, its a 78' 750K5
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 06:03:08 PM »
The short story is you need fuel, spark, compression, and a way to spin the motor to start it. If you want it to run for any length of time without self destructing, you will also need an oil supply. ;)
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 06:16:20 PM »
I live in Tempe, so for the compression, i will need to test the compression somehow, ive done a little reserach on that, do i put the gague INTO the spark plug hole? then after that, i need a fuel source, should i use the fuel tank? or is a bladder the best way to go for now, also, the carbs seem fine,and the bike doesnt have an air box but it has like, what are they called...pods?...then for the spark, i need to get new spark plugs, and somehow hook those up to a fresh battery? can this all be done out of frame? if so, whats the best way?
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 06:17:39 PM »
Yeah, its a 78' 750K5

No, I don't think so. Most '78's are K8's. Your VIN #'s will confirm. 

I suggest reading some of the project build threads, this will give you a good idea of the sequence of getting the bike together so you can start it.
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 06:19:06 PM »
Yep.  Make sure oil tank is connected and that you have oil.

As Scottly said, you need fuel, air, fire. 
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 06:20:00 PM »
Everything is out of frame, frame has nothing on it, and you're right its a K8
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 07:45:14 PM »
It's a real PITA to start a motor just laying on the ground; you'll have wires all over the place, no place to hang the oil tank, can't kick start it without it rolling all around. I wouldn't worry about doing a compression check just yet. It might be easiest to mount the motor temporarily in the frame, and hot-wire the ignition. I have filled all the carburetor float bowls with gas, pumped from an oil squirt can, for test runs. Is there a wiring harness on the bike? I think you mentioned on another thread you needed hoses for the oil tank? I have some stuff from a K7 that may work.
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2013, 06:26:11 PM »
I have filled all the carburetor float bowls with gas, pumped from an oil squirt can, for test runs.
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It sucks (literally) that all the new lawn mowers use vacuum pressure to pull fuel up from a tanks any more. I have been looking for an old style one that drains from a pipe on the bottom for just this purpose.
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 05:29:04 AM »
I don't suggest running motors that are sitting on the ground. We had an incident with a small block that you don't want to repeat :)

At minimum you will need the motor on a stand, this is google-able.

You will need the coils, plugs, spark plug wires, and a switch to turn them on and off. All gets wired to the ignition system on the motor.

Beyond that you should check that the motor will turn over, check if there is any oil in it, and what condition it is in. This may give you some info on the bike's history. 750s use a "dry-sump" oiling system, thus the oil is contained in an external tank and circulated through the engine, not stored in the engine like conventional cars etc. I would not suggest running a motorcycle engine with no oil supply. The oil supply lines use special fittings, but I believe that you can use regular hydraulic hose and high pressure clamps to make your own hoses if the ends are there. also change the filter if it hasn't been run in years.

Wiring up the starter with a high amp relay or large contactor.

Fuel supply is not difficult. If the tank is in good condition you can use it, just make sure that it is above the level of the carbs, because they are gravity fed. Make sure that you have a valve to turn the fuel off in case of leaks, don't burn your house down.

I would check the compression on the stand if possible, I believe it is a pain to get the fittings in once installed in the bike.

Finally check visually inside carbs, make sure no one is living in there, that the slides operate and return.

Some form of exhaust would be advisable, but not strictly necessary if you just want to hear it fire.

Now having said all that, without properly setting up all these things for some actual running, you won't learn anything about the condition of the motor. 90% of motors with no history will fire if you hold a gassy rag on the intake. Some of them will have blown rod bearings, missing parts, bent valves etc. And of the 10% that don't fire, most of them have wiring problems.

If you want to bench test the motor because you don't have plans to build the bike soon, then get a stand welded up, build a nice bench test rig with your ignition and whatnot, then see what you've got. If you want to build the bike for next season I would suggest just assembling it all to see what you are missing, then if you have motor issues you can assess them as needed.

Hope I helped.

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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 10:17:23 AM »
if you feel like you're head cant expend any more energy on the engine, switch to something with more visible results.
get a rolling frame.  visible progress.
forks, bars, shocks, swing arm, front and rear wheels.  easily done in a day.
then, come back to the engine.
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 07:18:01 PM »
unless you want to set up a dyno stand or get the engine in the frame mini set up don't bother

If you have energized a starter free and seen it flop around like a marlin then just imagin what about oh IDK 50 more hp and lb ft of torque, now flop that big b!tch around

If you wanna test it, compression after getting some oil in the cylinders and a leakdown test. Would be some really good tests and if the engine does poorly you prob gave a bad engine
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Re: Bike in pieces, what are all the exact things to do to get it fired up?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 07:12:18 AM »
Vossero - Is there any way you can post some pics?