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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2012, 08:04:06 AM »
This thread has turned hilarious

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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2012, 08:11:19 AM »
This thread has turned hilarious

Most debates that are based on personal opinions usually do. :)
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2012, 10:43:25 AM »
Beautiful work Rob, keep going mate and don't worry about the nay-sayers, (especially Two Tired, if he's bothered to read your previous posts about the work you put into your Thruxton, he'd know that you're not a 17 year old kid with an angle grinder and no skills) maybe you'd be better off starting a new build thread so that your posts don't get lost in the sea of bullschidt? I still don't like 400/4's, but I do like the quality of the work you're putting into your build. Cheers, Terry. ;D
  But, there are many self deluded people on this forum who think they can build better than Honda. However, Honda has the sales numbers and ongoing support to prove they can.

How many cafe creators warranty their sell-off?



If we are honest, Honda engineers didn't always get it right and some areas can be improved.
The basic concept is good on majority of motors but some have major issues at relatively low mileage (all the early  V-4's, CX, plus a bunch of others)
As far as I recall, Honda didn't make a decent cam chain tensioner between 1974 and 1988, the automatic tensioners had a very  limited lifespan
As for Cafe's, I would give a limited warranty on any I built, but, it's possible to destroy anything if you try
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2012, 10:58:38 AM »
In the real world, engineers generally design to the best of their ability, BUT, the poxy bean counters look at profit margins which invariably results in some downgrading of the final product. So, there is always room for improvement ;)
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2012, 04:39:31 PM »
So here's a very pertinent question; please speak up all: how many members built their cafes beforethe  present fad ( I guess there must be one in the rest of the world ;D ) began?

Hmmmnn. Well, I built a "Cruiser" style CB750 originally, like the one I built and rode everywhere in 1980-85. Nice upright sitting position, good all-round vision, great for city commuting, and comfy out on the highway.





The problem was, when I rebuilt the engine with 12.5:1 836cc pistons, Mike Reick stage 3 head, Megacycle 125/75 cam etc, it got really scary trying to hold on to the "Buckhorn Bars" at 120(+) MPH, so I built a new bike around the engine, and ended up with this:





Good thing is, even though I started with just a bare frame that a mate dragged out from under his house and gave me, an engine I bought at a swap meet and other bits I bought from around the world, (mostly on EBay, and from members here) I think it came out quite nicely, and I didn't take my angle grinder anywhere near it, so I can return it to "stock" if I ever needed to.

Is it a "Cafe Racer"? Well to me it's more of an authentic 1970's era race bike with mostly 1970's era aftermarket parts used, and it goes like stink. Most modern era "Cafe Racers" that I've seen are more biased towards "show" than "Go", so I don't like to see my bike lumped in with these modern day poseurs.

Having said that, leaving your engine standard will ensure long engine life and reliability, and of course, with the penalties for speeding what they are nowadays, the fashion of "faux Racers" is probably the smart way to go. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2012, 05:32:42 PM »



You left the "UC" off that plate Terry, thats not like you.... ;D ;D ;)
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« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2012, 05:56:47 PM »
So here's a very pertinent question; please speak up all: how many members built their cafes beforethe  present fad ( I guess there must be one in the rest of the world ;D ) began?
Here's a pic of my cafe in 1979; oh wait, it must not be a cafe because it's on a 3000 mile ride at the time, and it doesn't have clubmans (yet).
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« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2012, 06:08:30 PM »
Here's a pic of my cafe in 1979; oh wait, it must not be a cafe because it's on a 3000 mile ride at the time, and it doesn't have clubmans (yet).

Oh my Lord, and it's got one of those "Unnecessary" oil coolers fitted as well Scott, what were you thinking??? ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2012, 06:13:02 PM »
Hey Terry, I was young and stupid at the time. ;D
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2012, 06:56:54 PM »
So here's a very pertinent question; please speak up all: how many members built their cafes beforethe  present fad ( I guess there must be one in the rest of the world ;D ) began?

 How much before?
 1980 early enough for you?

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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2012, 07:51:06 PM »
Crazy, whats that on the lower fork and not to pry, but how did you heal up from last year elbow incident? I remember seeing pics that you shared...
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« Reply #86 on: December 22, 2012, 08:05:01 PM »
I think that's what they call a "Tax Disc" in Britain mate. Cheers, Terry.  ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2012, 08:37:41 PM »
This thread has turned hilarious

even more so if you watch this. ;D

Looks like rob does good work so I don't know how anyone can complain.......I'm sure he's savy and super fuking stoked. ;) ;D  Just be thankful he isn't turning it into a hardtail bobber, the most hideous fate that can be inflicted on a vintage bike. :P

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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2012, 08:39:11 PM »
Hey Terry, I was young and stupid at the time. ;D

Not young any more eh Scott... ;D ;D :P
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I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #90 on: December 22, 2012, 08:52:55 PM »
This thread has turned hilarious

even more so if you watch this. ;D

Looks like rob does good work so I don't know how anyone can complain.......just be thankful he isn't turning it into a hardtail bobber, the most hideous fate that can be be inflicted on a vintage bike. :P

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« Reply #91 on: December 22, 2012, 08:53:51 PM »
Hey Terry, I was young and stupid at the time. ;D

Not young any more he Scott... ;D ;D :P
Yeah, now I'm a lot older and not much smarter. ;D
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #92 on: December 23, 2012, 07:00:34 AM »
I did up the Canary long before I'd discovered this site. As I've stated previously, I've never seen a cafe racer in the flesh although I live 35 mins from a city of 250,000. I've only ever had CBC and CTV here, no cafe build programming. I've wanted one since the '70s. So can we put a half-assed accurate time-line on when the "fad" began? I personally haven't a clue. ???
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« Reply #93 on: December 23, 2012, 09:29:57 AM »
 I had a cafe bike back in around 72.. Ducati Mach 1.. Does that count.

 And my gold 72 in 1976 i think.
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« Reply #94 on: December 23, 2012, 09:58:19 AM »
Ducatis don't count. ;D Since the only replies have been from "ahem" older folks, I take it that young guys aren't into the cafe scene?
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« Reply #95 on: December 23, 2012, 10:06:30 AM »
 I dont like the cafe thing anymore since I suck at cornering. But build what floats YOUR boat..
Regarding  the OP, what Lloydperhaps fails to understand, is inbike building you can reach a point where you areabout done with a bike, you reached the goal you set . Then it may be time to start on a fresh canvas , so to speak..to keep it challenging and exciting..
 Stock bikes are like paint by number painting.
 Bike building is morelikebeing an artist.. Some are good some are bad..
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« Reply #96 on: December 23, 2012, 10:24:59 AM »
I agree with Frank. I really enjoy taking a an old looking, bad or non running bike and bringing it back to life.  Once that goal is reached, time to move on to the next one.  And depending on the specific bike and cond, it may be restored back to original, cafe or combination of the two. 
And one day, I'd like to do a chopper since I haven't had one. But, what would I do with it once one? Not exactly a market for them and not many straight roads around here and I like the curves!
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« Reply #97 on: December 23, 2012, 10:47:59 AM »
 A lot of choppers are still fun on twisty roads, deoends on geometry.
.But as far as custom bikes go,di I buy in cuz it was popular, I guess I did..
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Re: Cafe Racers - Touchy Subject??
« Reply #98 on: December 23, 2012, 11:14:41 AM »
Crazy, whats that on the lower fork and not to pry, but how did you heal up from last year elbow incident? I remember seeing pics that you shared...
I think that's what they call a "Tax Disc" in Britain mate. Cheers, Terry.  ;D

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« Reply #99 on: December 23, 2012, 11:57:08 AM »
Don't forget a teeny tiny saddle bag for that Starbucks gift card when you gay it up by making a "cafe racer" out of that beauty of a stock vintage Honda...

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