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Offline kayaker43

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exhaust system design formulas??
« on: July 13, 2006, 02:37:10 PM »
Back when I was young and knew everything, I found some formulas for designing a 4 stroke exhaust system. Now I'm old and can't remember where I put them. It was fairly simple using displacement and cam timing you could calculate diameter and length of the primary tubes. Can anyone point me to some links or post the formulas so I can do this again?

  The next challenge would be to find info on designing a megaphone system. All but obsolete now, I think these were just used to return a stronger reverse pulse and even spread it out over a wider rpm band? There's a lot of megaphoney looking mufflers but I'm sure they need to be free of baffles to work. I'm also pretty sure you need one per pipe and can't have a 4 into 1 megaphone.

Any old megaphone knowledge out there... it sure would be cool to build a Hailwood replica cb500 with 4 open megaphones.

The reason for this post is an old Yosh cb500 racing header I have that worked way better than all the others for roadracing, and had fairly small primaries that were much shorter than all the headers being sold at the time.

I could actually post the dimensions for the yosh and a Hooker header if others will contribute numbers from other known designs. It would be nice to have a database of known header dimensions and calculated ideal dimensions for various bore/cam combinations. I think most so called "racing" headers had tubes too large and too long for racing use. They were tuned more for midrange stock motors if they were tuned at all.




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Re: exhaust system design formulas??
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 03:39:50 PM »
I appreciate the question -- I am building a CB750/900cc and want to make my own light-weight 4 into 4 exhaust for it.
Please see if the bewlow links can help.  They are to free online headder caculators.

http://www.btinternet.com/~mezporting/exhaust_length.html
http://www.wallaceracing.com/header_length.php

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Re: exhaust system design formulas??
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 07:51:47 PM »
fang,.. thanks for the links. I also have an XR650r with 4 valves and twin pipes, I wonder how you figure that one out? Maybe figure it for one pipe, then calculate the area and split it in half for each pipe. I assume both should be the same length as a single pipe. Right now they are different in length by about a foot :o  I guess it must average out??

The first link taks about 4 into 2 into one exhausts which I've never seen!

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Re: exhaust system design formulas??
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 07:55:19 PM »
I appreciate the question -- I am building a CB750/900cc and want to make my own light-weight 4 into 4 exhaust for it.
Please see if the bewlow links can help.  They are to free online headder caculators.

http://www.btinternet.com/~mezporting/exhaust_length.html
http://www.wallaceracing.com/header_length.php

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Fang,

Any progress of the 900? I have my NOS 900 kit now. I'm still trying to come up with a matched weight set of high performance rods (short of $1500 Carrillo's) before I begin to get serious and spend some major bucks on the head and carbs.

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Re: exhaust system design formulas??
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 11:56:16 PM »
Now this is a very interresting subject. some years ago I was the proud owner of a 1964 FIAT ABATH 1600. OT. Porche like rear engine assembly. Twin camshafts, dual ignition magneto and coil and two side draft 45mm DOCs Webbers.= 130BHP.
Shove this through a ZF gear box with all kinds of tricky inner and outer disc brakes then it became a very fast and a car that won its way into the record books.Monte Carlo Rally I believe was one of them.
The thing about it was the tuning of the Exhaust system.
It had relitivly small bore exhaust pipes  but they all had the same capacity as the cylinder=400CC's they were then bent twisted into a bunch of banana's then poked into a SS muffler.
Well what a crisp note indeed. A real head turner indeed.
The collector was built into the muffler, I cannot elaborate much more, but the system gave the engine the added extraction of the gasses it needed to arrive at high RPM's.
Now I have  beautifull honda CB 750 SOHC with four carbies K5 with a 4>1 similar?
Great note too.
Dave Australia.