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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #275 on: August 13, 2013, 04:23:54 PM »
Here is my engine a few days ago, it is pretty much ready for installation.  Probably as clean as it will ever be  ::) I had some black urethane auto paint on the shelf, so I used that for the HONDA on the stator cover.



70CB750 suggested I remove the exhaust spigots for easier fit in the frame.  I remembered how tight it was to remove with them on, so I decided to follow his advice.  Unfortunately, one of the studs was stuck tight.  I thought it was starting to turn, but it turned out the head of the screw snapped off.  I guess I was just a little enthusiastic with the impact driver.  My machinist Friend abhors easy outs, so I tried his method of using reverse drill bits to try to coax it out.  I drilled using progressively larger bits until I could try to coax what was left if the bolt threads out of the grooves in the hole.  It almost worked, but I could only get about half of the bolt out.  So, I then tried to use a tap to loosen the rest of the bolt.  That was working until the very last bit.  Then the remaining bolt threads got hung up on the tap so that when I removed the tap, the threads from the bolt mucked up the threads in the hole as I was backing it out.  Oh well, time for the fallback of a helicoil.  That worked out great, and I have a really nice fit again.

Drilling out the bolt



Removing the threads with a pick



helicoil insert installed after the other methods failed....these things are great!!!



Now that the broken bolt issue is resolved it is time for the engine installation.  My 15 year old son helped me out on this.  I used the typical method of lowering the fram over the engine.



And it is in!!!!!! Milestone achieved!!  The fitting of the frame over the engine was fairly easy and only took about 5 minutes once everything was arranged and ready to go. 

Only two or three months behind schedule with the unexpected engine tear down and rebuild.  But since it is so late in the summer now,  I am shooting for an early spring finish date.  That gives me time to locate those elusive stock (or repro for that matter) HM300's or HM341's.

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #276 on: August 13, 2013, 04:36:45 PM »
Engine looks fantastic and bet its a great feeling to have it back in the frame
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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #277 on: August 13, 2013, 04:53:31 PM »
Great looking!  I am glad it did not stop you for long!

Need more advice?  ;D ;D

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #278 on: August 13, 2013, 05:23:23 PM »
Great looking!  I am glad it did not stop you for long!

Need more advice?  ;D ;D

Anytime :-)

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #279 on: August 13, 2013, 07:25:50 PM »
Oh wow! That looks amazing nice job! Had to go through your build from beginning after seeing these pics!!

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« Reply #280 on: August 13, 2013, 08:32:39 PM »
It looks fantastic!  8)

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #281 on: August 13, 2013, 09:38:32 PM »
Engine looks fantastic and bet its a great feeling to have it back in the frame

Thanks, Steve-o.  It feels good to be moving in the right direction. Albeit slowly.


Oh wow! That looks amazing nice job! Had to go through your build from beginning after seeing these pics!!

Thanks!

It looks fantastic!  8)

Thanks IW,  good to see you are getting all the little things sorted out on your bike!

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #282 on: August 14, 2013, 01:39:35 AM »
That looks purely amazing !
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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #283 on: August 15, 2013, 08:30:56 PM »
It looks fantastic Ed. A good dose of problems is always necessary to any project ;) what truly makes the difference is how those problems are overcome. Glad to see you at this stage. Very thrilled to see more from you. Jeep a good pace and pod luck finding pipes without taking out a loan....

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« Reply #284 on: August 16, 2013, 08:55:54 PM »
Thanks for the compliments everyone.  I think the photos help a lot. :-)  The fenders and some of the chrome pieces definately show their age...I hope to replace them in the future but they are not a priority at this point.

 I really did not intend to get so involved in this bike.  It was just supposed to be a rider (and I still intend to ride the snot out of it when finished).  But, because of this forum, I am trying to do about as good of a job as I can....time and money permitting of course.

I think I may start on the paint next week.  Candy Red or Candy Gold....That is the question.  It was red from the factory but I sure dig that gold color.

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« Reply #285 on: August 17, 2013, 01:07:49 AM »
Looking very sexy... if you want help on cost when painting I would help out if I could get some side covers painted candy gold.
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« Reply #286 on: August 17, 2013, 06:35:51 AM »
Looks fantastic!

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« Reply #287 on: August 17, 2013, 07:02:24 AM »
Looking very sexy... if you want help on cost when painting I would help out if I could get some side covers painted candy gold.

Hmmm, we may be able to work something out on that.  PM me what you are thinking.  Did you ever get a chance to look at the rear turn signal mounts on your parts bike? 

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« Reply #288 on: August 17, 2013, 10:52:12 AM »
Looking very sexy... if you want help on cost when painting I would help out if I could get some side covers painted candy gold.

Hmmm, we may be able to work something out on that.  PM me what you are thinking.  Did you ever get a chance to look at the rear turn signal mounts on your parts bike?

Yep, they are alright... brackets too. with the rubbers.... Let me take a few pics... PM coming
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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #289 on: November 03, 2013, 04:28:31 PM »
It has been a long while since I posted anything to this thread.  Mostly, because I have had very little progress.  I have done a few small things, but work has really been getting in the way.  I started stripping the headlight ears, but I decided that I would order the repros from DSS.  They are on the way, and I am anxious to see what the quality is. 

I managed to strip the tank over the last week.  What a job for such a small piece of metal.  When I purchased the bike, it was black.  Sometime after I bought the bike, I painted it blue.  Well, it turns out that there were a couple more paint jobs under the top two layers.  I finally got down to bare metal after numerous applications of stripper, sanding, and soda blasting.

I am thinking that this tank is not original to the bike.  On the underside of the tank, below the Candy Red (which I think is the original color of the bike) is a kind of a Teal Blue color.  This is not a 1971 color as far as I know.  I will attach some photos with the color.  Also, is there a paint code on the data plates for these bikes?  I would like to know for sure what the original color was.

Blue and black layers off.  Candy Red is next.  Also showing some bondo repair.




Scraping off the candy red, I was surprised to find a layer of blue underneath it.  Anyone know what color this might be?





Done stripping and found some nasty dents.  Otherwise, the tank is pretty clean inside and out.  I am hoping to find a paintless dent repair place tomorrow to see if they can push out the big dent and the dent under the emblem.  Has anyone had any luck with paintless dent repair for their tanks?





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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #290 on: November 03, 2013, 05:21:11 PM »
Hey Ed.....the blue on the bottom looks similar to Planet Blue, a K5 color.  Which side is the petcock on?
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« Reply #291 on: November 03, 2013, 05:23:36 PM »
Hey Ed.....the blue on the bottom looks similar to Planet Blue, a K5 color.  Which side is the petcock on?

Petcock is on the right side....which is an earlier tank, correct?  The holes are covered by tape.

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #292 on: March 04, 2014, 06:50:03 AM »
Any updates Ed.  Exceptional work!

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« Reply #293 on: March 04, 2014, 06:56:41 AM »
fantastic build.  I'll be following this one


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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #294 on: March 04, 2014, 09:07:41 AM »
Ed, I don't think Honda instituted paint codes until the late 70's. My current 750-K1 project appeared to be factory painted that Briar Brown (aka Rootbeer) but when I went to strip that tank, it had a layer of candy gold underneath! Perhaps they changed their build schedule during that particular shift? I used to work in automotive for an exterior parts supplier - we used to do that all the time.
The no-paint code thing is a real PITA. Although the original tank I had was in decent shape, it had similar dents/dings that you show. I later opted to go with a Yamiya complete body kit that was already painted Ruby Red. When the kit arrived, I compared it to an OEM fork cover I had on hand that was supposedly the same color. They differed by at least a few shades. I'm told the color is controlled by the amount of candy-coat applied. So much for color control...
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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #295 on: March 04, 2014, 10:48:10 AM »
Any updates Ed.  Exceptional work!

Not much to update, but I will post what I have..Thanks!

fantastic build.  I'll be following this one

Thanks!

Ed, I don't think Honda instituted paint codes until the late 70's. My current 750-K1 project appeared to be factory painted that Briar Brown (aka Rootbeer) but when I went to strip that tank, it had a layer of candy gold underneath! Perhaps they changed their build schedule during that particular shift? I used to work in automotive for an exterior parts supplier - we used to do that all the time.
The no-paint code thing is a real PITA. Although the original tank I had was in decent shape, it had similar dents/dings that you show. I later opted to go with a Yamiya complete body kit that was already painted Ruby Red. When the kit arrived, I compared it to an OEM fork cover I had on hand that was supposedly the same color. They differed by at least a few shades. I'm told the color is controlled by the amount of candy-coat applied. So much for color control...

Hey MW.  I saw those beautiful tins that you ordered from Yamiya.  Believe me, I was watching those body kits on that auction site :-).  I'm gonna have a go at painting these myself.  I have a pretty good base of painting skills, however I have never done candy before.  Should be fun!

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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #296 on: March 04, 2014, 12:12:54 PM »
I don't have much to update here as I have been busy on another project, as well as trying to keep my two teenagers cars on the road.  I ended up buying a 2000 Triumph tiger that had been dropped and needed some work.  I'm about finished with that, so I can hopefully invest a little more time on the 750.

One of the things that I enjoy about projects like this is learning new skills and techniques.  To make a long story short, I did not find any paintless dent guys that wanted to tackle the dents in the tank so I decided to give it a try myself.  I thought "what would happen if I welded some pins to the tank with my MIG welder?"  (kind of like a poor mans stud welder)  I had previously cleaned the inside of the tank with my soda blaster so I was not concerned about a big boom while welding.  The soda blaster works really well by the way.  The inside of the tank is basically spotless!  Nice clean bare metal.  So.....I started off by tacking on some nails from a finish nail gun.  This worked a little bit, but there was not enough surface area for the nail to really pull out much at all.  Those of you who are welders can see that I did not have quite enough amperage here for good penetration either.



Next, I dug out some regular nails, and tried welding them to the tank.  This worked much better than the wire nails. 





The big plus of using these nails is that I was able to make a rudimentary dent puller with a piece of scrap angle iron and my rivet gun.  It worked pretty well, considering what I paid for it :-)



Big dent after the first pull.  The nail eventually let loose.



Here is where it is at now.  It is far from perfect, but its not going to need a 3/4 inch thick hunk of filler like it had before.  I have ordered supplies for lead filler and I am going to learn another new skill.  Bondo will be kept at a very minimum.  While pulling, I ended up tearing a couple nails from the tank, leaving some small holes.  I welded the holes shut, but I figure by using lead filler, I am adding another level of leak proofing just in case there may be a tiny pin hole somewhere.  I really don't want to use any tank liner because the inside of the tank is so clean.  Also, you can see that my makeshift puller was not ideal as it left a few small creases in the tank.  I probably should have taken more time to assure that this did not happen.






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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #297 on: March 08, 2014, 06:42:25 PM »
Well, I attempted lead body solder for the first time today.  Now, I can add "old school body man" to my repertoire.  :D  It was interesting to learn the process.  Comments and critique are welcome.  :)

Eastwood sells a lead body filler kit for $109.00.  I'm too cheap for that, so I found a 1 lb 70% lead / 30% tin rod on amazon for about $8 and bought Eastwood tinning butter for $20.  I used a scrap piece of wood for my spreading paddle....lubed up with some ski wax I had laying around to prevent the lead from sticking to the wood.

The process I used in a nutshell. (disclaimer!!!!! I am a total amateur at this so take anything I say with a grain of salt)

1) Clean the metal!  I de-greased, used a wire wheel on the grinder, and de-greased again.  Ended up with a nice clean shiny surface.

2) Brush on a thin layer of tinning butter to cover a larger area than the dent.  Tinning butter is 75% flux, and 25% lead.

3) Tin the area with a MAP torch using a small to medium flame.  I found it best to keep the flame moving over the surface in a kind of fanning motion.  As you are heating the surface, you can first see the acid flux liquify, and then the lead flows shortly after.  When it is hot enough, it turns a silver color.  Have a wet clean cloth available to cool the surface and wipe off any excess flux.  Work small areas at a time.

4) After the metal cools, you need to neutralize the acid from the flux.  I did this by scrubbing the surface with a baking soda and water mixture.  Then I rinsed with plain water and dried.

5) de-greased again with acetone.

6) Now the fun begins.  Time to melt the lead and somehow get it to stay on the metal.  There is a fine line between not hot enough to work the lead, and too hot.  If you get it too hot, it will puddle and just run off the surface.  Once again, using a MAP torch, I heated the tank and the lead bar.  Most of the time is spent heating the bar because it is fairly thick.  The actual surface of the tank heats up pretty quick.  I built up the lead in the dent until it appeared to be higher than the surrounding area.  It was trial and error to find just the right heat.

7) Next, I worked the area with heat and the wood stick.  I heated the lead again while trying to spread it around like butter.  I ended up getting it shaped somewhat to the curves of the tank.  Again, trial and error.  It is a challenge to get just the right consistency to form the lead.

8. The final part involves cold shaping the lead.  None of this is to be done with power tools in order to minimize lead dust in the air.  First, I used a rasp to get it roughed out.  Then, I used regular files, and finally I used sandpaper with a sanding pad.  This is a much slower process than plastic fillers as the lead is much harder to work.  Also, you only get one shot at the repair.  If you have any low spots, or you take too much off, you have to start all over or accept what you have and finish up with a little bondo. (which I will end up doing  >:( )

Tinning Butter



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Tinning complete



After attempting to spread the lead with the wood stick.  The area with the arrow pointed to it is ever so slightly too low.  I did not find this out until I was almost finished filing and sanding.



Filing and sanding.  getting there!  What a pain in my you know what.



Here it is, as good as I am going to get it.  I will need a very thin layer of plastic filler on the bottom half of the dent on the front, as well as a small amount of filler near the emblem mount bar.  I accomplished what I set out to do.  That is, make sure there will be no leaks and to use as little plastic filler as possible.  No filler would have been better, but I will take this for a first try.






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Re: Just another 71 CB750 K1 (Engine in frame......finally)
« Reply #298 on: March 08, 2014, 06:47:04 PM »
Ed that looks fantastic! well done for a first try, I would have caught something on fire ;) keep on keepin on and it'll be done before you know it

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« Reply #299 on: March 11, 2014, 09:35:34 AM »
Ed that looks fantastic! well done for a first try, I would have caught something on fire ;) keep on keepin on and it'll be done before you know it

Thanks Justin.


Another question.  I am planning to paint the black stripes on the tank.  I have a vinyl cutter and masking material that I can run through the cutter.  So what I would like is a good quality image of a stripe or a set of stripes so I can make a mask for painting.  I would need a straight on shot of a stripe laying on a flat surface.  Also, I would need the length from tip to tail.

Anyone out there have some stripes they can photograph?  Color does not matter. 

Something like this, but larger would work great. My vector program cannot get good enough results with this small image.  I would need the measurement notated by the arrows. 



Thanks!!!

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