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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 12:46:21 PM »
any other things I can fug around with if this doesnt work.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 02:13:47 PM »
any other things I can fug around with if this doesnt work.

Try that first and then we'll move on. :)

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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2008, 05:18:53 AM »
So i switched the coils defiently not it...when I switched them I thought it was going to blow up.......so I switched them back and then took the spark plugs out and checked them...they are brand new plugs....they were black and smelled like gas...so what could be the problem now....So help not sure what is wrong
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2008, 05:19:39 AM »
Black sooty plugs = too much fuel. You are running rich. Make sure your ignition timing is correct and if it is then clean the carbs and reset them to factory specs
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2008, 05:20:34 AM »
even put old coils back on to make sure something wasnt wrong with the new coils.no dice. it just smokes reall bad misses and never picks up rpms even at full choke.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2008, 05:21:52 AM »
how do you check ignition timing....why would this have changed over the winter when all I did was change plugs and coils.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2008, 06:52:30 AM »
These bikes have electronic ignition, which is generally pass-fail. There is a mechanical spark advancer behind the pulse generator plate that can get sticky, causing timing issues....I read this in article about cb650's I want to get this fixed this weekend so I am making a checklist of things to check dont even know where the mechanical spark advancer is ...is this the green wire behind the  coils I thought that was the ground.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2008, 06:56:40 AM »
how do you check ignition timing....why would this have changed over the winter when all I did was change plugs and coils.

It is just a good idea to check the timing in general when servicing a motorcycle. Timing sometimes "walks" just from use. Sometimes a change in the coils exacerbates the problem. A lot of time on bikes you can have several minor problems that by themselves would not be noticable but working together can cause you a real headache. Your timing could have been out all along but until this carb problem came along you might not have noticed it. To check timing you need a timing light (prefferably induction - means it clamps on to the spark plug wire). Your manual (you do have a manual don't you?) should have detailed instructions on how to set the timing. This is also how you can check if the advancer is working (by revving the bike while the lite is shining on the window).   

The point is to rule things out as you work, the more things that you check and know are functioning properly the better off you are.  If you are going to be stubborn about it then maybe you shouldn't be working on bikes.

So far you have ruled out an ignition problem as far as we can tell, and you are still seeing black plugs. Plus the bike has been sitting all winter (probably with no fuel stabilzer in it) which is usually how gummed up carbs happen (remember fuel is only good for 4-6 months).

At this point here is what I would do:

- Check the airbox or whatever for any obstructions. Make sure your filters are clean.
- Check that all the airbleed screws on the carbs are setup properly
- Pull the rack off, pull the float bowls out and chek to see if any of the jets are plugged. Run a wire through them just to make sure.
- Check that all the needle positions are at the same height. If you have CV carbs, use compressed air to make sure the slides are functioning as intended.


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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2008, 07:49:03 AM »
got all them on the checklist now....anyone else
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2008, 07:58:25 AM »
make ONE change at a time so you know what fixed it when you finally get it.  (or at least you see what changes w/ each fix)

maybe you just need a good carb clean. 

still kinda sounds timing/spark related to me though.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2008, 08:06:00 AM »

. . .  it just smokes reall bad misses and never picks up rpms even at full choke.


Sounds like it's running rich.  If it's running rich anyway using full choke just makes the problem worse.  Will the bike run if you give it some throttle and ease the choke open?  And if not, are you sure the choke is opening?  If your bike has a cable operated choke it's possible that the choke is stuck shut and the cable is broken or has come unhooked from the choke.

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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2008, 08:19:38 AM »
to tell you the truth ...it runs and will respond to throttle but it smokes a little then shuts off. but maybe the choke is unhooked...how would that affect it running rich though...you think this would solve the problem.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2008, 08:35:41 AM »
My bad.  I understood your post to mean you were running only with the choke fully closed and and had clouds of smoke, and wondered if you had tried running it with the choke open.  A closed choke restricts air flow, resulting in a rich mixture.  An unhooked cable will affect your situation only if the choke is stuck closed.

Do you have a manual for your bike?  If not, you need to get one.  Google or Yahoo manuals for your bike and you'll find what you need.


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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2008, 08:39:08 AM »
yeah i have manuals but I am looking to narrow down and keep knocking stuff out ....that is how i fixed my charging system on this bike thanks to the good folks here and hope it works here.....
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2008, 09:01:00 AM »
I am thinking the choke cable maybe is unhooked because now the bike doesnt respond to the choke at all...I have to check when I get home....checklist....but I am not sure that is causing the problem.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2008, 11:17:11 AM »
I just had a guy I work with tell me to pull the plugs turn it over a few times with the plugs out to clean up everything...either clean the plugs or get new ones. and then restart it without the choke on.....getting a lot of good ideas so I can try and try and cross off the list I am going to start tonight and wake up bright and early if need be to get this fixed asap...if anyone else has run into or may have some stuff for me to try....I am open to all suggestions.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2008, 01:52:45 PM »
well still working on it.....tried a lot of the stuff said I guess taking the carbs off is coming......
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2008, 03:15:31 PM »
ok... rather than post in your carb boot thread... i am posting here.

buy new carb boots.
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Re: fire out the exhaust ..help
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