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Hi just joined and need help
« on: July 14, 2006, 08:28:13 AM »
Hello people i have just got back to biking after a few years and i got hold of a CB750 1976 .
I think the engine is a 750F .
It has been made to look like a chop its nice and looks great the engine is running a bitt rough it ticks over OK but when i rev her she feels like she is struggling almost like she is running on choke can any one give me a bit of advice on Wat to look for ,
I had a look at the points and they look pitted i will sort them out first (does any one know the gap setting ) so any advise wood be gladly received, i hope 

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2006, 08:43:46 AM »
...what is your airbox and exhaust setup?
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Re: Hi just joined and need help
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2006, 09:07:32 AM »
Slash cut Exhaust and next to no air box , just wire Gauss

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2006, 09:11:23 AM »
If you want to ID the engine, give us the numbers then you will know. There are internal differences that it might be nice to know about should you need to get inside it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2006, 09:12:10 AM »
...velocity stacks?  I'm just wondering if the symptom of it cutting out when you throttle it is due to jetting.  Have you broke into the carbs yet?  Do you know what you are jetted at?
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2006, 09:57:21 AM »
have not been in there yet job for tomorrow when the wife goes out point are well pitted , i think the bike has been sitting for a bit so do you think there could be a bit of crud in the carbs

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2006, 10:44:59 AM »
could be junk in the carbs, but it sound like it should get a full tune up since its been sitting for a while. while you are doing your points and timing check that the advancer is moving also.

when you know all of the tune up stuff is done, you will be better able to diagnose any carb trouble.

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2006, 11:19:01 AM »
...def pull the carbs/bowls and take a look inside.  Can't be to bad if its running.  I'd pull the jets (slow and main) and make sure they are clear, and spray some carbs cleaner around...
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2006, 07:22:40 AM »
Thank you all for the advise so far .
I have cleaned  and regapped the points . changed the plugs but it still runs like its on choke , I'm about to sound like a right thick SOD but i took the filter sponge out of the air filter because it is falling apart could this be a bit to do with it or would a blocked jet make it run like it is on choke .
The old plugs look like they are running rich not a biscut brown..

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 08:23:35 AM »
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i took the filter sponge out of the air filter because it is falling apart could this be a bit to do with it

Generally, if you remove the filtering material, the engine is getting more air, so if anything, should lean things a bit. You say it is running like it is on the choke. Do you mean it requires the choke to run?
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2006, 09:53:56 AM »
She revs up to about 3 grand then goes flat as if i was running on choke which i am not, just took the carbs of and checked the jets , they are all clean ,ran her up and stiil the same , could this a timing problem if it is how can i check it,,,


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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2006, 11:05:47 AM »
You can check timing with a flash timing light while running.
You can also check it roughly using a 12V test light, a tail lamp bulb and some wire is sufficient. Connect the light from ground to the points contact (the moving contact or the terminal for the wire up to the coil). With the ignition ON turn the crankshaft slowly via the big nut on the points shaft. The bulb will go on and off, when it goes OFF is when the plugs will fire. The light should go off just as the F mark passes the pointer mark. Check both points sets.
For a real timing adjustment you should have a flash timing light, and a dwell meter is a nice bonus. Set the timing at the advance mark, the F mark is not important if the timing is correct at the advance mark (2000 RPM plus, approximately). For the best performance use a dwell meter to set the dwell equal on both points sets. Dwell should be 195° ±5° for the 750. You have to play with the gap adjustments and the timing plate position repeatedly to get the timing and dwell correct, it's a bit of an art.
If you plan on keeping the bike a long time and have a few $$$ to spend, install an electronic ignition like the Dyna S.
With the carbs, check the emulsion tube above the main jet. After removing the jet you can push it down from above, push a paper clip oir something similar down where the needle goes (with throttle wide open of course). There are very very small holes cross-drilled in these emulsion tubes that tend to clog. Clean them out with copper wire strands from extension cord wire or similar, don't use steel tools to poke at them. Any clogs will have a large effect on fuel mixture.
And try new plugs, bad running at higher RPM and throttle is often just a plug problem. Any problem with the spark plug wires or caps often shows up just like what you describe - the plugs take more voltage to fire at higher pressure and if there's a leakage path in the cable or cap the spark will gladly take it. If you have stock resistor caps you should use non-resistor plugs - there must be no R in the plug number. Non-resistor plugs are a bit hard to find and it may be best to get non-resistor caps (any bike shop can get NGK caps) and just use resistor plugs. You can check the caps with a cheapo electrical meter, unscrew them from the cables and check resistance from the plug contact to the cable contact screw. You should get either zero ohms or 5000 ohms depending on if they are non-resistor or resistor type. If they read 10,000 ohms I would get 5000 ohm ones - 10K are too high for the dual-fire system.

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2006, 11:22:17 AM »
If they read 10,000 ohms I would get 5000 ohm ones - 10K are too high for the dual-fire system.

Bit of a Hijack, perhaps.  But, why do you suppose the stock CB550's came with 10K plug caps?  The only other difference between the 550 and 750 ignition that I am aware of, is the heat range of the plug; D7 vs D8.

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Re: Hi just joined and need help
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2006, 02:14:15 PM »
Please can you give me more detail on the Emulsion tubes, as in wat and were they are ..

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