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CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« on: January 26, 2013, 05:40:14 AM »
I am working in a 1978 CB550, no modifications.   Since the bike has been in my possession for about 3 weeks, it has run and has been rideable although it had never been a smooth running bike.

This is where I am now.

Fully charged battery.

The throttle cables (push and pull) were routed incorrectly and felt very rough when the throttle was twisted.  I ordered new push/pull throttle cables, installed and adjusted, nice smooth action now.

The clutch cable lever was overly difficult to pull, I changed the routing on the cable and adjusted the cable a bit.  Much easier to pull now.

I had removed the tank to have it painted, when reinstalled, I  saw lots of debris in the old fuel filter.   Intalled a new inline fuel filter, added a little seafoam to the gas and reattached.

Pull the choke out, hit the start button, engine revs to life for a second (sounds like a very high rev) and then dies. 

Any recommendations?
« Last Edit: January 26, 2013, 05:58:02 AM by MAV »

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 10:44:08 AM »
Anyone? 

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 12:15:44 PM »
how much fuel in the tank?is the fuel tap set correctly?

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 01:15:49 PM »
Do start with the simple things.  How much fuel in the tank, and is it low enough that the reserve setting is required?

The stock tank has a great fuel filter in the tank right above fuel valve.  When in good condition, there is no need for an inline filter.
So, why do you have an external and why is it collecting stuff?

Next step would be to verify gas get to all the carb bowls.   There is a drain tube at the bottom of each bowl and a screw just above it that allows the carb bowl to drain into that tube.
You can do three things with this arrangement.   One is to see if fuel drains from each bowl.  Two is see what comes out beside clean gas.  And three, is to see/measure how much volume of gas comes from each carb bowl.

Once you have verified that all carbs get an equal amount of clean gas, you can address choke operation by verifying the the choke cable pull the linkage to its fullest extent.  There is some adjustment to this cable at the clamp to achieve this.

The above addressed, the engine will either start or attempt to start.  In either case, a wet rag applied to the header pipes ought to tell you which pipes are getting hot.  I do this with my fingers in a "flash touch" maneuver, as touching a hot surface quickly will not burn you, but you will still get a sense for heat present.  Hold your hand on a hot header pipe and it WILL burn you before your brain can register extreme and damaging heat.

The pilot jets are only about 0.016 inch in diameter and therefore clog pretty easily with foreign debris.  Cold head pipes often indicate a clogged pilot jet.   Hope this isn't the case, because it is a challenge to yank them from the carb bodies for cleaning, and doubly so to clean them without removing the carbs from the bike.  The latter often leads to rubber coupler damage, and it is VERY difficult to obtain a replacement set of those.

Do the simple things first and report your findings.  We can then advise next steps.

Another thing you can do is to pull the spark plugs and note their tip condition and deposit patterns.  This is your "window" for combustion conditions.  And, they can tell you what issues are cause for not running as expected.  Naturally they should all look exactly the same as each other for them all to work the same.

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 03:54:55 PM »
Awesome!!!  I will sort some things and report my findings!  Thanks for the help.

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 10:00:25 AM »
I took the carbs off completely, cleaned everything, cleared all passages, etc, etc.  Put it all back together, new plugs in. hit the start button, started right up and is purring like a kitten.

HOWEVER.....when i give it a little throttle, it revs VERY high, not coming down quickly as it should  All the rubber boots are in good shape, however the clamps are not in the best shape from the carbs to the airbox. I am quite certain this is causing an air leak which would cause it to rev high??

Can I buy any thin little clamps like that at Advanced auto parts or home depot?


 

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 10:32:28 AM »
With the PD style carbs you have, vacuum sync is important for clean return to idle.  I cured my 78 550 idle speed return with a good vacuum sync.

Before guessing and buying new clamps, verify your carb sync at idle.

You can also test for leak vacuum leaks with WD40 or propane.  A liquid will temporarily block a leak and change idle speed.  Propane will enter the leak and change the idle speed.

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 11:00:08 AM »
Can I use a manometer to sync the carbs?  I've only used it to sync the carbs on my xs650. 

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Re: CB550 issue with Carb? throttle?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2013, 11:10:29 AM »
Can I use a manometer to sync the carbs? 

Of course.  The procedure is defined in the Honda shop manual.

You must make all the carbs match #2 as that one is not adjustable on the 78.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2013, 11:13:33 AM by TwoTired »
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
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