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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2013, 11:02:04 AM »
VTSlim, I live in Northern Virginia and can tell you that up in my area that bike would sell for $2,500 all day long.  I have seen way worse sell for $1,500 to $2,000.  If what you have been told is all true, engine mileage etc., it could be an alright buy to a down right steel.  Once again my opinion is swayed by the Northern Virginia market.  Living just outside of Washington DC does have its draw backs.

I hear ya on the NOVA prices. I do check out the NOVA craigslist from time to time out of curiosity. I tell you what, if I decide not to buy the bike, I'll talk to the seller and see if he wants me to give out his contact info and let some of you guys take a crack at it before he lists it on Craigslist. It would probably be about a 2 hour drive to New Kent (the location of the bike) from NOVA.

I'm kinda on the fence with this bike. I could easily be swayed one way or another. On one hand, it's a bit more than I'd like to spend right now and I have 4 other bikes to occupy my time, but on the other hand I have this disease for which there is no cure, and only more and more old motorcycles can ease the pain... hahaha

If you're not interested I may be interested.  I wouldn't pay NOVA prices but something in between would be fair. I don't remember reading it but I assume there is a title.  If not a replacement title is cheap in VA if he is the original owner.

I haven't mentioned it so far, but yes, they're telling me that they have a clear title in-hand. But before you get too excited, just know that I'm driving 1.5 hours to get there with cash in hand and a trailer in tow :) But if for some reason it isn't the right bike for me I'll be sure to let you guys know as long as that's the route the owner would want to go.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2013, 11:14:02 AM »
They would not put leftover model parts per say from one year to the next on big items like paint color etc. One could possibly have a 1974 bike though with a 1975 title. In Michigan back in the day the title was dated the year the bike sold,not the year it was made. Some difference you can look for between the 74 and the 75 is the shape of the turn signal which your picture is a 1974 and whether the fuel petcock is on the right or left side.1974 is on the right and has 2 gas lines while the 75 is on the left and has one gas line.

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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2013, 12:04:24 PM »
Here is a close up of the tank striping discussed. This is my K3, but the decals should be the same if it is a K4. I did not see it mentioned here, but when you look at the bike get it in neutral and use the kicker to see if the motor is locked. In looking at your pic is appears to be an exhaust gasket to me with the leak to the side causing the carbon. Keep in mind these bikes are famous for the head gasket weep which most of us live with unless it gets so bad your pants are becoming an oil rag. Good luck and let us know the outcome.


In the mean-time, to add more confusion, I found this link which seems to indicate that the Boss Maroon was only a '74 paint option: http://honda750expert.com/. I suppose this could be one of those situations where the leftover '74 models were sold as '75 models.

there is no confusion - that bike was repainted. Stop using the paint as a frame of reference.

I bet you anything it had a laydown when new-ish and was repaired. It has enough things that are "off" that this is a pretty good educated guess. However, if you don't believe me take a magnet to the gas tank - betcha you find a puddle of body filler on it, or better yet put a borescope into the tank and look at the backside of the metal. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, looks like the repairs if any were done properly and the damage if any was minor to begin with.  Or someone may not have liked the original color and had it repainted the color they wanted (doesn't explain the signals and exhaust though). Take the tank off and look at the tunnel - even honda didn't care enough to do a good job in that tunnel and repaints can usually be traced pretty easly (backside of the sidecovers are also a tell.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2013, 12:43:57 PM »
And perhaps 3100 miles on THAT speedo. Too many wrench marks in such short miles?

Doesn't appear the #1 exhaust is even bolted on?? No wonder it would leak. Broken stud/studs?
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2013, 12:58:58 PM »
And perhaps 3100 miles on THAT speedo. Too many wrench marks in such short miles?

Doesn't appear the #1 exhaust is even bolted on?? No wonder it would leak. Broken stud/studs?


The exhaust was unbolted to try to figure out what was wrong with it. I'm not worried about that.

But back to what you mentioned in the other thread: Why would exhaust gas choose to "blow out" an exhaust gasket vice just exiting through the relatively open pipe? That's why I question what the mystery substance is on the head/cylinder fins. If it's oil, then something isn't right at all. I'm guessing a compression test would help to narrow things down. My concern would be that there are valve problems or possibly a head gasket issue. It all depends on what I can decipher from the type of substance on the fins and the location it appears to be originating from.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 01:26:39 PM »
The #1 cylinder lives a different life from the other 3. It is the lowest cylinder when the bike is on the side stand so it is not unusual for it to collect oil run off as the bike sits. This happens even with bikes that are regularly used. So what's the stuff on the cylinder fins? probably a little oil mixed with soot and other exhaust gasses. Ever see an engine running without any exhaust pipe on it? it isn't uncommon to get a flames shooting out - same with a popped exhaust gasket - fresh air to burn and hot gasses and fuel = fire and soot.

Honestly, you are putting too much thought into this - spin the motor through and listen for any bad noises. if not get it home, get it running, and figure out what you have from there. If all this is just trying to figure out what to offer him - offer him $1200 and be done with it already.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 01:40:57 PM »
The #1 cylinder lives a different life from the other 3. It is the lowest cylinder when the bike is on the side stand so it is not unusual for it to collect oil run off as the bike sits. This happens even with bikes that are regularly used. So what's the stuff on the cylinder fins? probably a little oil mixed with soot and other exhaust gasses. Ever see an engine running without any exhaust pipe on it? it isn't uncommon to get a flames shooting out - same with a popped exhaust gasket - fresh air to burn and hot gasses and fuel = fire and soot.

Honestly, you are putting too much thought into this - spin the motor through and listen for any bad noises. if not get it home, get it running, and figure out what you have from there. If all this is just trying to figure out what to offer him - offer him $1200 and be done with it already.

Haha, cheers to that man! I'm definitely overthinking this, but then again what else am I going to do between now and Saturday other than clearing out room in the garage :)
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2013, 02:04:31 PM »
Well it's not worth 2 grand and I sure don't believe the mileage, but I would buy it in a heart beat for $1200.

Nice starting point to bring it back to stock.

follow the advice above and best of luck to you

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2013, 03:34:51 PM »
So I talked to my friend again today and we talked about some of the things that were discussed on this thread. I'm still going to do my due diligence in checking the bike out, but it sounds like the owner is willing to come down to a reasonable figure on the price. Assuming everything checks out, I'm comfortable with the price the seller has in mind.

The mileage on the bike is legit though. The tach was swapped out at some point, but not the speedo. Turns out the owner was a bit of a "collector", as my friend described it. The guy liked to buy things and hold onto them. For example he also has another older bike for sale with only 1XXX miles on it (a metric cruiser which I have no interest in). Apparently he has a collection of items still in their original boxes. One of those kind of guys, you know? Due to his health, I may never find the back story to some of the questions posed in this thread, such as the incorrect sticker, but I'll do what I can to figure out what I can and take it from there.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in and offered some great advice. I've been a lurker on this site for a long time now, and hopefully I'll start contributing a build thread here on this bike sometime in the near future. 

Cheers!
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2013, 04:32:05 PM »
I live in Norfolk as well so if you do get it and need some help by all means give me a holler.  That said, from what I can tell the bike looks to be in very good condition.  The front brake is probably one of the cleanest I have seen that hasn't been completely overhauled.  Like others have said the exhaust leak can be an easy fix.  The yellow could simply be some form of dirt/dust from sitting around for years in a garage that attached itself to the exhaust soot.  Can you not see the VIN tag on the right hand side of the bike or the engine number stamped onto the left hand side near the starter cover?  There is a list of engine serial numbers that can tell you when it was manufactured.  The carbs can be reubuilt.  There are a couple of forum members here that do it.  I had mine done by one of them and they look pretty darn nice.

Panotaker.  Yes VA allows you to place the sticker pretty much anywhere on the the bike.  Mine is on a plate that is bolted to the swingarm.

Hey I've been checking out your build thread for a while now and I figured one of these days I'd have to shoot you a message. I love the work you've done to your bike. Regardless of whether I pick up this particular bike, I've already got a '77 CB750 (and a '69 CB350, and an '84 CB700SC, among other things, haha) that I plan on tearing down and rebuilding at some point. I'm heading out to San Diego for a few months, but I'd definitely be down for meeting up sometime when I get back.

Regarding the registration stickers, etc, I'd probably just get the antique plates like I have on my other old bikes. You avoid having to pay the yearly registration, and you don't have to get inspections. There are limitations on when/where you can ride the bikes with those plates, but I've never been hassled. I have a BMW Dakar that I ride to work on, so no problem there either.

I got some more info from my friend. He confirmed that it is indeed a '75.

Yah man definitely hit me up when you get back.  Hopefully I will have the bike running by the time you get back.

I thought about the antique plates as well, but I plan on using the bike as a daily driver (sharing time with the Triumph) and really don't feel like getting hassled.

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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2013, 06:00:21 PM »
To me it looks like the correct stripe, without the black fill.  I know the repop decals must have this area painted black, were the original decals like that too?  Maybe we've got a factory error here or something?

EDIT-  could it be the light and the dirt that make it look like that?  Because in this picture (from his photobucket) the stripe looks pretty black. 



EDIT 2-  I see the difference now.  The white and gold on the decal are reversed.  Strange.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2013, 06:23:22 PM »
I was only able to get and see one pic Andrew,you must know some good computer voo-doo  :)

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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2013, 06:30:10 PM »
Ok, if you havent seen enough K4's, here is another, mine has original Boss Maroon paint. Once in person, you should be able to tell if the tank has been repainted. Look for the sticker by the cap, if missing that could be a clue.

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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2013, 07:16:48 PM »
VTSlim: Welcome to the forums.
 
The tank stripes are non-stock, but that’s not a deal breaker. Honda used two different styles of tank graphics. K3 only and K4/K5/K6. At first glance they appear to be the same.
 
Here’s how an original example K4 speedo and tach will look like. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2013, 02:39:11 AM »
All over, I think this bike looks pretty good and a good candidate to evolve into a reliable nice bike. Looks like a K4. Tank is repainted and decals a bad work. Not sure the bike has been layed down, look for marks on footpegs, stator cover, fins etc. Might just have been a ding or a tank swap. Are the sidecovers repainted?

I live in Norway, but I browse both eBay and Craigslist regulary. $2000 is maybe in the higher level, but it can still be worth it if the bike looks as good in real as on the pictures. Nice chrome on fork ears, fenders, handlebar, grabbar, winker stems and rims are defenitely worth paying for. Leaking headgasket and carbs that needs a complete cleaning is standard procedure and nothing to stop a deal. If this bike had a decent set of used 4-4 mufflers on, it would sell for at least $3000 on ebay, probably more.

We can compare this bike with what we have bought other used ones for, but it does not really work like that either, does it? They are never exactly the same and the sellers are different, too. If a good candidate turns up, a few $$ up or down is not a serious dealbraker to me.
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2013, 07:03:18 AM »
VTSlim:  Welcome to the forum.  Great find.  You need to bring that bike home.  It represents itself as a 74 K4 titled as a 75.   Seems like you now know how much you have to spend.  I question that it has a head gasket leak.  The oil residue appears to be above the head gasket.  If I were guessing, I would think it has rubber pucks dried out and leaking oil into the combustion chamber.  Pull plugs, especially 1 and 2,  and look for oil fouled plugs. If it has new plugs or not run newer plugs, I would suspect old plugs were fouled.  What ever the issues, you most likely will be replacing top end gaskets and seals.  It has been parked most of its life and when resusitated and run, this is often the result.   

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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2013, 08:36:14 AM »
I do not think that if the rubber pucks are bad or leaking that oil can really get into the combustion chamber,they are not connected per say. They do cover some bolts and a hole under the cam towers and can seep out oil through that area.

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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2013, 06:48:35 AM »
I'm happy to say she's now in my possession!

I'll follow up with a summary of some of the things that were discussed when I get the time...
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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2013, 06:58:04 AM »
Congrats !!  We all will be looking forward to your updates,looks like a very nice and hopefully easy project for you.

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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2013, 12:12:09 PM »
She sure does shine up nice. I love that color.

Enjoy!
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2013, 05:23:22 PM »
Yah, congrats...she looks like a great bike. You will get plenty envious looks when you take it down the road. Can't wait to hear the story of how you came to the deal.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2013, 08:52:33 PM »
Yeah, congrats.  Tell us the details....
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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2013, 08:54:58 AM »
Sorry to keep y'all hanging, the past few days have been pretty busy for me.

The bike is in great shape cosmetically for a 39 year old machine. And yes, I did confirm that it is indeed a 1974. The paint is pristine except for a slight scratch on the tank near the seat that hasn't formed any rust. I"m not sure what my options are at this point for touching up that scratch, but I figure for the time being I'll put a coat of wax on it to keep moisture out of it.

I think the biggest thing we discussed in this thread was the mystery behind the tank graphics. The original owner and his son both state that absolutely nothing was ever changed in regard to the tank graphics since he drove it out of the dealership showroom in Richmond VA back in 1974. I have no reason to dispute this either, as the owner is a medical doctor, a trustworthy guy that I've met a few times before who would have no reason to lie. I did check the tank with a magnet for bondo, and it came out clean. There are also no other signs of the bike having ever been down. Now here's where it gets interesting though: I actually have a spare 1974 Boss Maroon tank to compare it to. The spare tank has the "correct" sticker. The tank on this bike actually appears to have a painted on "sticker". The paint job is done exceptionally well, and the only way I can really tell that it's paint is that you can see a very slight paint buildup in the corners from where the "sticker" was masked. If you run your fingers over it, there is no relief between the gold and the maroon. On the spare tank, you can feel the relief from where the sticker meets the maroon. Have any of you guys ever heard of a dealer, or even the factory painting on the "sticker"? The work is so well-done that it appears to have been done at a factory or by a professional with a precise template. Had the bike been crashed, I don't see how anyone could justify paying someone to paint that graphic on immaculately vs. just buying a replacement sticker. It is possible that the black line between the gold and white is a pinstripe sticker, but the rest is paint!

Here's what I already knew: The carbs are f'd and need to be sorted through. We tried to start the bike but the carbs were pissing gas on the floor so badly that we decided it wasn't worth it. Stuck float bowls for sure, on multiple carbs. The owner's son told me that it was a bike shop that decided to rivet the pin, not the owner's decision. I'm counting on having to completely rebuild the carbs.

The master cylinder needs to be rebuilt. It's leaked out all the brake fluid, but fortunately it didn't cause any damage to the paint. It did muck up the brake lever pretty good though.

The chrome on the wheels is immaculate. Not a speck of rust anywhere on the rims or spokes. The front fender has a couple of small dings in it, but nothing severe. I'll probably just polish it up and accept the character it lends. The badges have some slight flaking of the coating (paint and chrome) in some areas, but no chips or damage that can't be restored if I find myself bored enough to care about it.

Steering bearing feels great, and the forks are in good shape too. I won't know for sure until I ride it, but I'd say that there's a good chance that they don't need to be rebuilt right away.

The seat is immaculate. I'm really happy about that! Both the vinyl and foam are in great condition.

The cables and rubber (other than the tires) are in good shape and I wouldn't feel concerned at all about taking it for a few rides before I get around to replacing all that stuff. I'll eventually swap all that stuff out, and probably go with a stainless brake line, etc. I'll definitely be replacing the tires before it hits the road.

Mechanically, the engine oil looks good. It's been in the bike since '97 when it was last run, but isn't overly dirty. I haven't checked the plug for metal shavings, but I don't anticipate any problems there. I'll give everything a once-over (change oil, adjust valves, change plugs, etc) before I deem it roadworthy.

The inside of the tanks exhibits slight surface rust, but I think it's fine. I can't see any areas of flaking. I'll put a filter on it and keep an eye on it until it's had a chance to run through a few tanks of gas though.

I've had a steady flow of gearhead friends and neighbors dropping by to look at the bike, and although none of them are CB750 experts, they all love the bike and think it's in great shape.

For right now, my overall plan for the bike is to keep it close to stock and just enjoy the bike the way it was designed to be enjoyed. It's too nice to do anything other than that. I have another CB750 (1977) that I'll probably keep around and modify to satisfy that urge. At a minimum, I'll be swapping out the handlebars for something with a lower rise. I'll probably do something else with the exhaust too (I've never been a fan of the Kerker's asthetics). I may initially keep the 4-1 collector and weld on a reverse cone for the time being. A 4-4 would be ideal, but pricey. Lastly, I'm not sure what to think of the rear fender. The tail light looks cartoonishly large. I was eyeballing the taillight on my '69 CB350. It's smaller and looks like it might bolt right up. Another option might be to buy a buggered fender from ebay, bob it, and put a smaller brake light on it. I'd keep the original fender of course!

All of this will have to be put on hold for 3 months though, as I'm going out of town. That'll give me time to order some parts though and have everything ready to go for when I get back. I can't wait to get this bike on the road this summer!
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Re: Need Help: Looking at purchasing a 1974 CB750 w/ 3100 original miles
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2013, 08:56:59 AM »
Comparison of the painted on graphics vs. the original sticker.
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« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2013, 09:02:46 AM »
Rearranging the garage a bit, not depicted are the '77 CB750K and the '84 Nighthawk 700SC  8)
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