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"Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« on: August 21, 2006, 07:44:26 PM »
I just picked up a set of used shocks for my 400F and am considering trying this.  What's the worst that can happen?

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Save Those Old Shocks
Do It Yourself Tech
Nov 1, 2005
By: Rick Sieman
Rebuilding Those Non-Rebuildable Units


Got a good old vintage bike and can't afford some trick new aftermarket shocks? Or maybe you've just bought a tired (well-used) trail bike and see that the shocks are non-rebuildable and feel like there's not much damping in them.

There is a way around all of this, and the best part is that it'll take just a little bit of work and no money at all.

First, some background. Most of the dirt bikes of the vintage era (mid-60s thru the mid 70s) came with non-rebuildable shocks. Just about all of the bikes from England were equipped with Girlings, as were many of the other European brands. The Japanese bikes of that era were pretty, and not much else. Honda and the other Big Four seemingly concentrated on chroming the springs and ignoring the performance.

So, at that time, the Girlings were state of the art, and with the limited short travel, did the job and did it well. A large number of spring rates were also available and the damping was correct for the application.

Their biggest drawback was that they just don't last long and cannot be rebuilt. A serious MX competitor could expect a set of Girlings to last approximately two to three months at the most. The top desert racers got about four races and then replaced them. The average rider, with a little luck, got about six months of service before they were shot. Girling did make some rebuildable shocks, but they were not available in this country.

"PRIMING" THE SHOCKS
There are two ways to extend the life of Girlings, neither of which will cost you any money. The most important method is something called "priming" the shocks. When bikes are stored for any length of time, the longer they are stored, the more air leaks into the internals. Even the smallest amount of air can damage the sensitive internal damping mechanism.

When you buy a new shock, or get a bike that's been stored for a long period of time, take off the spring and gently pump the shock up and down for about 20 minutes. The air bubbles will then pass out of the oil passages. After priming, the shock can be reassembled and used.

If the shock is to be stored any length of time off the bike before using, do not lay it on its side; instead, hang it up by an eyehole in the normal position. In this way, less air will enter the internals. Priming will at least double their life span.

THE FIX-IT METHOD
The second method is to replace the oil after the shock has worn out. When the shock is done for, oil will have leaked out and all internals will have loosened and worn slightly. Make provisions to put fresh and heavier oil into the shock, thereby giving it a second life. And a third, and so on, if needed.

After removing the shocks from the machine, take the springs off and set them to one side. If they are sacked, they must be replaced. A good way to check this is to compare them visually with new springs. If they're shorter, they will need to be replaced.

Clean the shock thoroughly before attempting to work on it. Make a mark three-eighths of an inch from the base, making sure that the mark is facing outward from the normal position on the machine. It will be necessary to use a punch lightly to start the drill. Using a 3/16 inch drill bit, carefully drill a hole in the shock base through the nut.

The trick here is to keep any stray metal chips from falling into the shock. It works best if the shock is laid on its side during the drilling. Clean as you go, drilling slowly. Don't penetrate any deeper than needed; the internals can be damaged by poking a drill bit indiscriminately. After the hole has been drilled, clean the area and check for burrs.

The shock can then be drained of the old oil. There should be about 1½ ounces drained out of a typical 12.9 inch Girling. If less comes out, it just means that some oil has leaked out over the years.

Hunt through your tool box and find a ¼ - inch, 28-thread nut and bolt. Clean this thoroughly, then weld or braze the nut near the base of the shock. Make sure that the shock is fully extended when welding A word of caution: get the oil out of the shock first before welding the nut on, as we have heard tales of old timers literally blowing a shock apart from burning oil. Got that?

FILL 'ER UP!
Your new oil should be mixed carefully. The best ratio is ¾-ounce automatic transmission fluid mixed with ¾-ounce 20-weight motor oil. You can also add a tiny bit of alcohol to soften seals and O-rings. A 3-in-1 oil can with the bottom cut off makes a great funnel for refilling. It will be necessary to stroke the shock up and down to get all of the oil in.

Install the bolt in the nut and tighten down firmly. The fine threads should guarantee against leaks. If leaks are encountered, use a red fiber washer. After the bolt is in place, prime the shock again and install.

The shock will eventually wear again. It is then a simple matter to remove the bolt, draining and putting in a slightly heavier oil. The heavier oil will make up for the worn O-rings and seals. Some riders have run as heavy as a straight 30-weight oil, and the shocks are still functioning well. Once you get to the point where 30- weight won't do the job, then the Girlings are truly ready for the trash can.

This technique not only works well for Girling, but other non-rebuildable shocks as well.
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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2006, 07:52:36 AM »
Bumpity bump bump bump.

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2006, 08:27:55 AM »
Ghoulie the original shocks are not Girling and are crap, not worth the time and effort even if you could get the seals and other parts from Showa to fix them up, your time and money would be better spent on a set of Koni’s not original but they look dam close and work much better, I’ve just rebuilt a pair for my 400 so the Maz shocks are off the bike, the springs will get some chrome over the winter.

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2006, 09:58:32 AM »
I've got Konis on mine too, you say you have rebuilt them Dave, can you give more details like where you get spares and spring compressors to do this.
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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 10:46:45 AM »
I've got Konis on mine too, you say you have rebuilt them Dave, can you give more details like where you get spares and spring compressors to do this.
Ikon in Australia sells the parts. I have a Kowa Seiki spring compressor but it is expensive for very occasional use. I've compressed shocks in a floor press too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 11:08:44 AM »
I've got Konis on mine too, you say you have rebuilt them Dave, can you give more details like where you get spares and spring compressors to do this.

Mal what model shocks do you have, it’s stamped on the body behind the spring? Mine are 1302.. I used the tool in the photo to open the plug I used a press in work to compress the spring I’m not in work at the moment I’m on my jollys, but I’ll post a photo when I go back. The O rings came from work supplied by RS and the oil (75 ml) I used was ATF from Halfords. I have a parts list if you need it for my model shocks it’s a car shock but the guy at Koni said  they share the same parts, later shocks parts can be had from Ikon in Oz. I have the e addy  of a really helpful guy at Koni if you need it .
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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 11:18:34 AM »
Where to get those Konis though?

The problem with all the aftermarket shocks are they are not Chrome like the originals.  I want better performance mixed with them being (nearly) identical to stock on the outside.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 11:26:08 AM »
Where to get those Konis though?

The problem with all the aftermarket shocks are they are not Chrome like the originals.  I want better performance mixed with them being (nearly) identical to stock on the outside.

The new Ikons’s can be had with chrome springs but they are expensive 4-500 $’s naybe they bought the rights to make Koni's..... you can get Konis  off UK ebay not expensive, people want the stock stuff ….fools  ;D

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 11:45:56 AM »
There may still be some NOS Konis out there. Koni discontinued them some time in the mid to late 90's. I picked up a fully chromed pair with the shrouds like the earlier K models use 5 years ago from a dealer in Sweden for $242 US which included shipping. Really nice shocks!! Try info.roffes@chello.se.

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 12:04:19 PM »
Looking at the ikon website, they offer a set of chrome shocks for the 400F and it appears that Chrome progressive springs can be had on them.  Sweet.  I'm going to look into this.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2006, 12:19:23 PM »
Looking at the ikon website, they offer a set of chrome shocks for the 400F and it appears that Chrome progressive springs can be had on them.  Sweet.  I'm going to look into this.


Sell those originals on UK ebay and the sad suckers who want them on their bike will help you pay for the new shocks that work wonders in the coners.  ;D

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2006, 03:10:37 PM »
I remember when I was a lad that the 'in' thing to do to your Japanes bike was to swap the shocks for Koni's (about 20 quid in those days....more than a weeks wages) and junk the tyres for TT100's. Needless to say I never did it because of lack of funds.

Nowadays Koni's (Ikons) are still a premium product. $300+cdn for my 650.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2006, 03:30:50 PM »
I remember when I was a lad that the 'in' thing to do to your Japanes bike was to swap the shocks for Koni's (about 20 quid in those days....more than a weeks wages) and junk the tyres for TT100's. Needless to say I never did it because of lack of funds.

Nowadays Koni's (Ikons) are still a premium roduct. $300+cdn for my 650.

Me also Rick I was skint when I got the 400 but I rode a rich boy’s 400 with all the good stuff fitted and it was cool, now I have them, the parts I always wanted!, With cheap insurance what a bonus that is ;D

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2006, 02:41:12 PM »
where exactly is the number, do I have to remove spring first to see it?
I have just had my bike MOT'd and the examiner commented that springs are far too strong for the weight of bike, so I need to look for some lighter one's, any ideas??
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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2006, 02:44:09 PM »
where exactly is the number, do I have to remove spring first to see it?
I have just had my bike MOT'd and the examiner commented that springs are far too strong for the weight of bike, so I need to look for some lighter one's, any ideas??

Does the springs being heavy fail your MOT or was it just a comment he made?

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2006, 02:56:44 PM »
where exactly is the number, do I have to remove spring first to see it?
I have just had my bike MOT'd and the examiner commented that springs are far too strong for the weight of bike, so I need to look for some lighter one's, any ideas??

Does the springs being heavy fail your MOT or was it just a comment he made?

It was just a comment, It passed all ok.
I haven't ridden a bike for about 25 years so didn't really have anything to compare to.
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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006, 02:58:46 PM »
My 400 is my first bike ever and it feels perfectly suspended to me.

The only other bike I've ridden is my dad's '76 750F and while I loved it, after the 400F, it felt like I was riding a refridgerator!!!

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Re: "Rebuilding" the factory shocks...
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2006, 04:07:43 PM »
where exactly is the number, do I have to remove spring first to see it?
I have just had my bike MOT'd and the examiner commented that springs are far too strong for the weight of bike, so I need to look for some lighter one's, any ideas??

I'm curious as to what basis he had for saying that.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2006, 09:38:53 AM »
I didn't actually watch test, he just said after that my rear suspension would be more suited to a tank, that it needed some weight/pressure to get any movement and thought the springs were intended for a bigger bike than the 400, I can only assume he pressed down on the rear or bounced on the seat. I did ask if he thought with the bike standing for so long the dampers may be the problem but he said they were fine. I will tax the bike next month and get used to riding again then ask others to ride for there opinion.
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