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Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« on: March 09, 2013, 03:04:50 pm »
OK. I did some research, took some pics and...am losing my mind. I recently purchased some new woodworking machines (table saw, planer, jointer, bandsaw) The tablesaw and jointer each might weigh 400lbs but the bandsaw is a 9 foot tall 36" beast.

Can I put this all on a shop floor that is 2X12 16" on center? How much bracing to the floor? I found this in another forum but wanted to get some dude opinion.
http://www.african-cichlid.com/Structure.htm

I will post pics of the floor joists later.

2X12 16" on center 20 foot spans.

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 04:19:18 pm »
Can you put a jack post under it ?
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 04:54:08 pm »
Hey there. There seem to be post scattered around down there. Here is one pic from the basement

I am building a woodwokjng shop in an old barn. The place used to be for repairing church organs....floor should be good.

754 the place I got all of the woodworking tools from also had a south bend 16 with 12 inch 3 jaw chuck....should I get it? I typically only use my Emco unimat for turning...you want pics?

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 05:33:35 pm »
What is the foot-print of the band-saw?
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 05:54:24 pm »
It is under 24X36.



Here is some of the other stuff that is going into my new shop. The floor already has 2 layers of .75" plywood which seems......dang thick...if there is still room I am thinking about throwing the bandsaw onto a pad of sorts.

I did notice that there are no cross braces on the joists.

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 06:00:17 pm »
It should hold some of our commercial buildings have the same floor as you do and you see some of the stuff tenants have in their space.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 08:01:12 pm »
I'd love to know what you're planning to do with all those tools.  I volunteer in a shop that has a slightly bigger band saw.  It's a Crescent Ship's saw, and the table stays put, while the saw tilts.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 08:33:59 pm »
I found the small SB very user friendly.. Is the 16 incher a quick change model?
 I think your roughing and big turning capability will be increased.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 09:03:33 pm »
That is heavy for something with that small of a footprint Frankey. You are looking at about 350 lb/sqft there and that is way higher than the typical residential live load of 40lb/sqft with that joist setup. I would want to try and center that puppy directly on a beam and put a decent sized steel plate under the machine to distribute the load out and jacks under the beam in the saw location like 754 said.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2013, 09:33:03 pm »
If the floor doesn't hold it, just use it in the basement!
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2013, 12:22:11 am »
I have had no problem with 1400lb grand pianos in my old ass house with similar joists...that is 1400lbs. supported by three pointy ass legs...
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2013, 08:35:33 am »
I just thought of this.. You also need to support the floor all the way over to where its going.. Bandsaw, dolly plus 2 people..
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2013, 08:52:20 am »
2000 pounds over a small area is a lot of weight. Throw a couple hundred pounds of materials and people working on it and the weight in that area gets to have some high numbers. Any structural engineers on the forum or are there any programs out there that could calculate the loads and composition of materials recommended.
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What would a metal square tube support frame and 3/16" thick steel plate a top that frame cost to make.  It could tie in 6 support posts.   I would want a heavy 3/16 or 1/4 in thick plate beneath the saw.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2013, 10:47:46 am »
Yeah, it is essentially like putting a Bridgeport in the dining room.....(the next project)

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2013, 08:30:28 am »
a 20' span is damn near the limit of standard 2x12 dimensional lumber. Standard building construction is figured on 50psf (pounds per square foot) live load and only 30psf dead load. your saw is considered dead load....and is above and beyond that 30psf the construction was most likely rated for.... also consider that in home construction the floor is reinforced under bathtubs to be able to support the weight of the tub when filled with water....a gallon of water weighs just over 8lbs, and a standard tub holds about 60-70gallons of water for a bath scenario....so that's about 550-600lbs of dead load and they reinforce for THAT.

While the 2x12 framing will "hold" you will certainley cause excess sag in the joists over time.....how much and over how long is obviously tough to say, but the BEST way to deal with it is to pour a concrete footing in the basement roughly 18x18 and 36-48" (depends on your lcal municipalities requirements) deep, then put a column on it with a small beam centered on it to support the area of the floor directly beneath this monster of a saw you have.

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 09:30:06 am »
I am going to do some overkill bracing..,.should have the saw this weekend....

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 09:33:13 am »
How are you gonna get it up there?

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 09:40:53 am »
I am going to do some overkill bracing..,.should have the saw this weekend....

Cribbing is more like what you would need to do. And like Sinister said I would seriously consider a footing upgrade directly under said cribbing or extra column and beam to support that load. Personally I like properly sized pier footings as opposed to shallow spread footings.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 10:03:44 pm »
 You need to find out what grade of lumber the 2x12x20' er's are.  Also you might have to factor in that not only having to add way more support under the final resting spot for the machine, what about the path that you have to transport said machine across to the final resting spot. Even if the joists were spaced 12" apart you would still need to add alot more support underneath.   ;)
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2013, 09:44:53 am »
Just picked up the smaller woodworking stuff and..,.must be another 2k lbs. The planer alone is about 500. I am screwed. Need a workshop.

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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2013, 10:42:11 am »
Concrete floor slab is more like it.
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Re: Can my 2X12 floor joists hold a 2000lb bandsaw?
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2013, 12:09:55 pm »
So, steel beams with proper footers/pilings and then a poured concrete floor how thick?
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