Author Topic: Building the Dream... (Read 77860 times)

toytuff · « **Reply #250 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:21:27 AM »

Quote from: Old Scrambler on April 18, 2013, 10:49:19 AM

TT...........the top motor breather is at the rear of the valve cover............remove the rubber tube and run a pipe-cleaner or similar into the cover.........then check the rubber tube to be sure it is clear.

The crankcase has an open hole near the top into the right-side chain-case. Visually check it to make sure its clean. The earlier models also had a breather cast into the right-rear of the tranny top-case. The earliest version of these motors was a dry-sump design.

Figured it was that. Got it ready to go.

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toytuff · « **Reply #251 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:29:36 AM »

Stumbling along on this build. Was told the battery would fit with no problems. FAIL! Love it when you are told something will work when in fact it's not even close!

Fender? Today. Seat? Better be done. Battery. Ordered. Last order? Wrong parts. Reorder. Spokes? On order. Exhaust? Today.

Getting everything together.

New air filter installed with tubing to the engine breather.

Ready to go when the carburetor gets done. Yeah, waiting on that also.

And this will not work so don't buy one.

On a good note I threw it on CL and sold it within the hour. Does me no good.

tt

Stev-o · « **Reply #252 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:37:08 AM »

Patience grasshopper!
Take that CBX out for a ride and chill, it will be all better then.

toytuff · « **Reply #253 on:** April 19, 2013, 07:31:18 AM »

Quote from: Stev-o on April 19, 2013, 06:37:08 AM

Patience grasshopper!
Take that CBX out for a ride and chill, it will be all better then.

Good idea! The 750 has won my heart back after the tune up. I'll flip a coin.

This build has been a fight since day one. Worth it in the end however. I need to find a parts fiche on flea bay. When all you have on line is a 1961 model it does not cover the changes made over the model years.

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JimJamerino · « **Reply #254 on:** April 19, 2013, 07:43:19 AM »

I pulled the carb off my Dream the other day and learned a valuable lesson: don't soak aluminum parts in vinegar. The vinegar will eat the aluminum. I don't know if I ruined it, but it's definitely much rougher than it was. If you happen across a spare C77 carb body, for cheap (I saw one on ebay last night for about $50 shipped, but payday isn't until next week), please let me know. The other parts seemed to survive OK, but I ran a toothbrush across the "KeiHin" logo and it disappeared, so I hate to think about what happened to the passages and such. Lesson learned! I just wish I hadn't learned it on a 50+ year old part. :/

Nice work! I'm using your thread as a reference for sure.

Also, in searching for parts, I came across this site: http://www.olypen.com/retro/ I haven't bought anything, but their prices are better than others I've found so far.

toytuff · « **Reply #255 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:12:12 AM »

Great link! Thanks.

First place I went to was the paint codes. No White. Can't find it anywhere.

Next place was handlebars. Nope.

I'm afraid you might have ruined the carburetor. I bought a gallon of Barryman's carburetor and parts cleaner. Comes with basket. Great stuff.

tt

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #256 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:45:30 AM »

TT............checkout the CD from Bill Silver.........its comes with history, owner's manual, parts list, rebuild info, resto info..........and a complete shop manual. He lives in the San Diego area. Look at honda305 in the Yahoo Groups pages. Also, your a member of the VJMC so use the new forum page to get more info. The battery mistake is common..........they even make two types of the flat-style batteries. What is really strange is the 40+ year original batteries can be found that still hold a charge.

Regarding our South Dakota carb loss..............I have a spare Dream carb for a CA77...........I am not sure if its the same as a C77........which is quite a rare model.

JimJamerino · « **Reply #257 on:** April 19, 2013, 09:18:23 AM »

TT- I don't know if I ruined it or not. I had read that Berryman's might be a little too harsh on an old carb like this, so I thought I was using something a little more gentle by dunking in vinegar. Seems that one didn't work out the way I had planned. I was soaking it because the slide was varnished stuck, and the whole thing needed to be cleaned anyways. I had to cut the throttle cable to get it off the bike. When payday rolls around, I'll order a new throttle cable and battery. Once the foot of snow we still have melts, I'll pull the Dream out of the shed to change oil, hook up a fuel IV and see if it runs.

OS- My Dream is a 305cc 64 CA77. The carb body, before it disintegrated, had a stamp on the engine side that said C77. This ebay listing here is exactly like the one I probably junked. My slide and the brass parts seem to have survived just fine, so I'm thinking a carb body is all I really need.

toytuff · « **Reply #258 on:** April 19, 2013, 10:10:40 AM »

Read above. OS has a carburetor.

To remove the slide just apply a little heat. You will smell the varnish, comes right out. Barryman's worked great for me. Use it on all my parts just don't over soak aluminum.

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JimJamerino · « **Reply #259 on:** April 19, 2013, 10:29:48 AM »

After a little more digging around, the vinegar thing would have been OK if I had diluted it, or done a short-term dip (like 15 minutes, then a hot water rinse). My carb may be OK, but we'll see. Apparently, aside from the damage to the carb body, I may have caused some oxidation in the brass jets. We'll see how it works out.

OS- pm sent

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toytuff · « **Reply #260 on:** April 19, 2013, 02:24:52 PM »

The next "issue" are the exhaust pipes. Right exhaust and mufflers but how do you get them apart?

The pipe does not turn in the muffler but they have to come off to install the collars. Any tips?

Maybe it's just stubborn but I'm thinking the crimp clamp holds them together.

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HondanutRider · « **Reply #261 on:** April 19, 2013, 02:39:04 PM »

Quote from: Old Scrambler on April 19, 2013, 08:45:30 AM

Regarding our South Dakota carb loss..............I have a spare Dream carb for a CA77...........I am not sure if its the same as a C77........which is quite a rare model.

C77 is not a rare model!

CA77 denotes the American model of the 305 Dream, which was sold only in the USA and differed by not having any turn signals. Elsewhere in the world this model was known as C77 and had turn signals. These designation numbers were the model number stamped as the first letters of the VIN number on the frame (i.e. frame number, either CA77nnnnn or C77nnnnn). They all had a motor that was stamped with an engine number beginning C77Ennnnn.

toytuff · « **Reply #262 on:** April 19, 2013, 05:53:28 PM »

Thank you for that info. Always willing to learn.

tt

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #263 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:52:50 PM »

I should have said .........rare model in the US......................and the turn-signal units are one of the best designs ever

RAFster122s · « **Reply #264 on:** April 20, 2013, 01:00:22 AM »

TT, have you tried a propane torch to heat the muffler, granted it will heat both, but, it could help. Penetrating oil as well, makes a mess but, it can help.

Surprised they do not have rubber packing gaskets(sleeves) on the connection.

toytuff · « **Reply #265 on:** April 20, 2013, 04:47:25 AM »

The old ones have a packing ring but these appear different. I wanted to get some ideas from members and make a few calls to see first.

I did get the left side to swing a little. I'm assuming they slide/turn off. The metal ring doesn't appear to be holding anything on the pipe. Might be holding a reducer on the end of muffler.

It's a tight fit.

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toytuff · « **Reply #266 on:** April 20, 2013, 06:46:54 AM »

Did a test fit this morning. The right side is spot on. Left side is not. The only thing I can figure out is that the new exhaust is for an early model and not the late model. This would be 1961 to 1964. I have the late model, 1965.

I installed the old left muffler and the fitment on the front is off the same amount. There was a tag in the packing that reads 18400-272-000. This shows a fitment for a CA72/CA77 on a 1961 parts fiche.

The rear mount is fine.

But the front is not.

I need to make a phone call on Monday but as of now I'm thinking they will have to be returned. Shame really. How often will you run across a set.

tt

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #267 on:** April 20, 2013, 07:49:36 AM »

Your seeing some of the differences between the CA77 and CA78 chassis. I would consider a modification to the mounting tab on the muffler. You have great photos and I am sure you would get some expert help from someone at the VJMC. Now if you were doing a CL72 or CL77............I have had one or more of every year's design in my garage for a frame-off build.

Again, the Bill Silver CD lists all documented changes by motor and frame numbers.

toytuff · « **Reply #268 on:** April 20, 2013, 07:55:20 AM »

Quote from: Old Scrambler on April 20, 2013, 07:49:36 AM

Your seeing some of the differences between the CA77 and CA78 chassis. I would consider a modification to the mounting tab on the muffler. You have great photos and I am sure you would get some expert help from someone at the VJMC. Now if you were doing a CL72 or CL77............I have had one or more of every year's design in my garage for a frame-off build.

Again, the Bill Silver CD lists all documented changes by motor and frame numbers.

Yes, this has crossed my mind. I have the brackets off the old mufflers that would work with little modification.

More than that I want to confirm my curiosty of the difference.

tt

Stev-o · « **Reply #269 on:** April 20, 2013, 03:59:27 PM »

+1, consider a mod to the mount. We will be the only ones who know.

toytuff · « **Reply #270 on:** April 20, 2013, 05:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Stev-o on April 20, 2013, 03:59:27 PM

+1, consider a mod to the mount. We will be the only ones who know.

Going to check on Monday. Pretty sure these are early model pipes.

You know me. Has to be correct if possible. I can return the exhaust. Just costs me shipping. This Dream build is getting very expensive.

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Stev-o · « **Reply #271 on:** April 20, 2013, 08:19:39 PM »

I would want the correct exhaust too, but is it available?

toytuff · « **Reply #272 on:** April 21, 2013, 04:11:32 AM »

Quote from: Stev-o on April 20, 2013, 08:19:39 PM

I would want the correct exhaust too, but is it available?

Just the mufflers. I have one good head pipe. Would have to find the right side as mine is dented. Usable but dented.

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toytuff · « **Reply #273 on:** April 21, 2013, 04:36:35 AM »

Here are the aftermarket mufflers. These take an exhaust donut which are what I have. You can see the difference in the front bracket as far as the forward mounting hole.

Much closer to the end of the muffler where the head pipe goes. I do believe my set is for an early model.

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toytuff · « **Reply #274 on:** April 22, 2013, 01:35:12 PM »

It just doesn't end.

This build is just going South each day. Yeah, it will go North..someday.

Seat: Not done. Two weeks is now three. Fender: Not done. Ditto with seat.

Order from Ohio Nick: Wrong seal. Another order, another week. Another money order.

Exhaust being returned for credit. Another week.

Then my correct battery arrives. You know, the first one that was suppose to fit but doesn't.

Frustrated would be an understatement.

tt

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