Author Topic: CB360 question (Read 7772 times)

glendaler · « **on:** July 24, 2006, 02:53:49 PM »

I've got a CB360 motor i'm putting in my 86 XL350 dirtbike chassis and i'm looking to hook it up to run on itself, without a battery. does anyone know if this is possible and how to do it? if not does anyone know how to hook it up with a battery but just to run, no lights or ignition or anything like that?

Jonesy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:32:58 PM »

Just to run, you need battery power to the coils, with the breaker points connected. This will cover the igniton. However, you will need the charging system. The alternator, regulator and rectifier will need to be retained. Other than those items, a kill switch would be all you'd really need. I can dig out a wiring diagram if you need it...

You might be able to get away with one of those "battery eliminator" things, since the alternator in the 360 is the permanent magnet type, and does not require external excitation voltage. Someone who knows electrical stuff a bit better might be able to elaborate on this. Check in the "battery eliminator" posts.

glendaler · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2006, 07:49:08 AM »

thanks jonesy, if it's not too much trouble a wiring diagram would help. this may just be my simple mind at work but there's three wires coming from the case, one of which i figured is the battery charging one. i figured i could test them while it was turning over and the live one would be good to run the motor off or charge the battery but none came out live. is this because i need to hook the regulator and rectifier up? or is this a problem? i'll check out the battery eliminator posts and see what i find. thanks again!

crazypj · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2006, 10:49:38 AM »

You should be able to find information on old triumph 'energy transfer' system. have to change coils but it will work on 360 without a batery

glendaler · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2006, 06:11:14 AM »

thanks for the idea crazy, but based on the advice of a friend I think i'm just going to hook the rectifier up to the three wires coming from the engine and then to the coils. according to him that will work. i'll look around a little bit and get the smallest battery i can find.

cb650 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2006, 05:40:34 PM »

Needed to make room for my pods and found a battery from a RD 200 or a 350 was the smallest.
Didnt use it though just made a new box and relocated the stock battery some.

Terry

glendaler · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2006, 06:17:50 AM »

thanks 650, i'll see what i can do. was it about half the size of the original? there was one like that for the original motor that was in the bike but it was six volt. it's the perfect size though.

cb650 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2006, 06:01:32 PM »

I was lookin in the JCwhiney M/C book and they have sizes listed for the batteries.
If I remember right most all the old rds where kick start only so they didnt need much.

Terry

glendaler · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:16:39 AM »

thanks alot terry! sounds like a plan.

bill440cars · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2006, 12:46:58 PM »

I don't know what the cost would be but, have you thought about one of those gel batteries? I've heard some about them being used where space is at question. Only thing is, I don't know what the cost would be. Might be something to think about.

Later on, Bill

cb650 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2006, 03:48:33 PM »

I think (problem there) the gels are the same size just spill proof and can be mounted at any angle.

Terry

bill440cars · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2006, 04:31:26 PM »

I didn't know about the size. I thought they might be a little smaller. I did know they were spillproof and that's got to be worth something, if the cost isn't too bad. I do wonder why more aren't being used? Will they handle electric starter use and what is the average cost compared to a standard battery? Later on, Bill

glendaler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2006, 07:13:43 PM »

thats something else i can bring up when i head down to the shop. it may seem like i'm just taking all these suggestions and not doing anything with them but i'm just waiting until i go to order a bunch of parts to ask about all these different options.

Just throwing this out there but i believe some battery packs for R/C cars and truck and such are 12V. I don't know much about electronics so this could be the dumbest suggestion ever. i only need the battery to run the spark enough for it to start, nothing else. is there a certain amount of amps needed for this? does anyone know how many amps one of these packs has? or is amps totally not what i need at all? they are based on being able to be charged alot, but is the charging style different than that of a bike?

sorry about all the questions and lack of knowledge, but i'm really lost here!

thanks for all the help so far!

crazypj · « **Reply #13 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:00:20 AM »

all the new mopeds are 12v and many of the earlier ones(mid/late 80's). Some used really tiny batteries. Try Home Depot for small 12v rechargables, think I saw them cheap for emergency lights, doorbells, etc. I know they are available as I used one for my mountain bike lights (home built kit, I wasnt paying nearly $200.00 for 20w

) battery was about 6"x2"x4" and ran 35w quartz bulb for over 2hrs (almost 3hr but got a bit 'yellow') You could also try two smaller 6v batteries wired in series to give 12v, Yuasa NP4-6 is only 1, 3/4"x4"x 1, 7/8", 6v 4Ah
PJ

glendaler · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:34:24 AM »

thanks again crazy! I'll add those to the list, the growing list.

just to run this by you guys again, the guy i get most of my parts from told me to take the three wires coming from the front sprocket area, and hook them up to the rectifier, and in turn to the battery. there were white, pink, and yellow wires coming from the engine, and GREEN, pink, yellow, and red coming from the rectifier. I went out on a limb assuming the red wire would be the one going to the battery because it was bigger than the rest. i hooked pink to pink, yellow to yellow, and was left with a white and a green so i hooked them together. I obviously haven't tried it yet because i haven't gotten a battery/batteries yet. but does this make sense to you guys? Jonsey had mentioned the regulator also had to be used, did my parts guy just forget to mention this or is it not needed? thats a lot guys, these forums are a life saver!

crazypj · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:15:21 AM »

Green is ground lead. dont run it the way you have it wired or the magic smoke will leak out.
Red is correct to battery. connect the white to either red or the third lead from motor. (may be control wire?) try motor first.
I think you may have a Kawasaki rectifier unit. I'll do some checking.
PJ

glendaler · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2006, 11:10:41 AM »

well i'im glad i asked before i started the motor. it should be a honda, it was on the 360 wiring harness, but that doesn't mean much considering the shape of it.

jonesy, any chance i could get that wiring diagram off you? that may help a bit.

crazypj · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2006, 05:53:22 PM »

I forgot that some of the early models had a cotton cover over the wires. Connect white wire to pink or yellow or just tape it up and run 2 of the 3 phases, may be a better idea if your not running with lights to prevent overcharging. I think it may have been connected to only charge when lights were on (in the days when you had a choice)
PJ

glendaler · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2006, 08:29:33 AM »

yeah all the wires are white i believe, but they have different color covers, i'm talking about the cotton colors. so what your saying is just run the white covered wire of the motor to either pink or yellow wire coming from the rectifier, run the red wire of the rectifier to the battery, and the green wire of the rectifier should ground to the frame?

just as a side note, i was going to wire my kill switch in right after the battery so it kills all power to the ignition system, is this the right/best place to put it.

thanks alot crazypj, and sorry if it's like trying to teach a 3 year old to wire a bike.

markbartak · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2006, 04:00:54 PM »

the alt. has three wires.( the green and red wire is the netrual light you don't need it) twist the white and pink together and connect to pink on rectifier, yellow to yellow on rectifier and yellow on voltage regulator, green from rectifier to green on voltage regulator and to ground ( frame or neg. batt post) red rectifier wire to battery ( for charging). black wire from voltage regulator to coils and you are done. I just went through two days of wiring hell with my cb360 chopper, but now everything works if you have any quastions let me know I can make a diagram for you

glendaler · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2006, 05:57:18 PM »

thanks alot, a diagram would be awsome, it gets kind of confusing trying to keep track of all the colors and routes when reading it. any pictures of the chopper? thats next summer's project for me. thanks again!

Jonesy · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2006, 07:51:16 PM »

Sorry, I was out of town for a week. I'll get the schematic scanned by sometime tomorrow.

Jonesy · « **Reply #22 on:** August 08, 2006, 02:58:49 PM »

It keeps telling me the file is too large. I'll have to e-mail it to you.

glendaler · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:37:20 PM »

alright, can you get my e-mail address off my profile or do you need me to give it to you? just give me a pm if you need it.

markbartak, i wired it up like you said but wasn't getting any spark, so i ran an extra wire directly from the battery to the coils like i was doing before. i have no idea if it charged the battery because it wasn't running long enough but should it have spark just the way you said it? not really sure whats going on.

glendaler · « **Reply #24 on:** August 14, 2006, 09:51:09 AM »

TTT

still need a diagram of some sort or another idea of wiring this thing up. it's not charging the battery the way it is now. it's the only thing holding my project up besides pipes so i'd really like to get this patched up.

jonesy, my email is hondabike10@hotmail.com if you could get me that diagram it would be great!

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