Topic: Boston Marathon Explosion

[BobbyR]

Yep, you're right Bob. They are saying that he's (just) alive, but they'll be working hard to keep him alive so they can interrogate him, and as MA doesn't have the death penalty, they may charge him under federal terrorist law, which does.

Either way, it looks like it's over, and the people of Boston can rest easy. Cheers, Terry.

The FBI officially took him into custody, so he will be Federally charged. Hopefully they can get him to talk and if there are others they will be found. Some of his know associates are in custody.

He is young and it would be a shame to take his young life. It would be far better to lock him up and keep him there. They will never put him in GenPop, he will get about an hour out of his cell per day alone. 7 hours outside that little cell a week for the rest of his life. May it be a long one! 

[Bob Wessner]

Actually they are reporting he is in custody and the police didn't return fire. Which is good now they can find out if others are involved.

Correction. Apparently there was some exchange of fire.

[Terry in Australia]

Yeah Bob, watching the CNN live news broadcasts has been as confusing as hell, as the media had no idea what was going on, so just filled in the gaps with opinions and speculation. No matter, in a day or two we'll get some more accurate reports.

It'll be interesting to see if he gets the death penalty Bobby, I reckon he will, and I can't see why the government would keep him alive any longer than necessary, I think the American people would be pretty annoyed if they just locked him up?

Either way, it's good that the two suspects have been caught. Cheers, Terry.

[Bob Wessner]

Terry, as far as I'm concerned all the media tried 'making ' news on this one rather simply reporting it. They looked rather foolish.

[demon78]

Yeah Bob & Terry even on the CBC it was developing into a spiral of speculation and survivorish news coverage instead of proper news coverage and reportage to the point of tuning in for a minute then shutting the dammm thing off. The CB seems to be trending more and more to popular and dumbed down "news" a trend that annoys me.
Bill the demon.

[Terry in Australia]

Well I've been fascinated, like I imagine a lot of other people have been with the whole theatre of first the bombings, then the gun battle, and finally the capture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

On tonight's news they played some interviews that were done with Dzhokhar's school friends, teachers, and fellow students, and they all said what a nice kid he was, and no-one had a bad word to say about him. It appears that this young Muslim was recently "radicallised" by someone, (maybe his older brother, Tamerlan) and in the last week before the bombings had tweeted a lot of anti-American propaganda.

I'd really like to know how a kid who had apparently assimilated so well into American society could so quickly be turned into a radical Islamist killer. If it's that easy, we've all got a big problem............ Cheers, Terry.
 

[demon78]

Terry  I wonder if it's no lions to hunt any more, here you are 17-19 going on maybe a man maybe not yet and society says most of what you want to prove yourself as an adult is valueless or anti social and there is this feeling if only I had something important to do, defeat the Saracens/Crusaders, rescue the fair damsel, and some one comes along and says you can change the world, just believe this. You can fill in the rest. I don't think schools any where teach critical thinking any more and the media doesn't show the pain of ones actions in a meaningful way, yes they show blood and gore in a cartoon way but not the agony.
Bill the demon.

[Bob Wessner]

Perhaps having been captured alive and bypassing Miranda Rights they get some insights as to how all this came to pass. We can only hope anyway. 

[Terry in Australia]

I know what you're saying Bill, but this kid apparently really liked living in America, and had won a scholarship of some sort to MIT, and had lots of American friends, so I just can't understand what turned him around?

Hopefully Bob's right, and the authorities will be able to find out what happened to him, before they lock him up and throw away the key, or (more likely) execute him. Did you guys see the report that he may have contributed to his brothers demise, by running over him with the stolen getaway car? Cheers, Terry.   

[demon78]

Yeah guys I to hope that they dig out the motivation.
Bill the demon.

[BobbyR]

The media stepped on their peckers a few times. They did however have a purpose. When they FBI asked people via the media check their cameras and cellphones, they got a lot of decent pictures    and people did come forward and they got some good shots.

Terry, I am sure they will probably execute him. I am not so kind, I want him to not to be a Martyr, not get his Virgins, and waste away slowly.

On another note. The Westboro Baptist Church intends to harass the Funerals of the victims as they do fallen Servicemen. If any of you riders in the Boston area know of a Patriot Guard group you may want to check to see  their plans are.

My prediction having worked in the Boston area, these wackos are going to get their asses kicked.   
 

[Duke McDukiedook]

Perhaps having been captured alive and bypassing Miranda Rights they get some insights as to how all this came to pass. We can only hope anyway. 

There is no bypassing Miranda rights- they are either read upon apprehension before detention or they are not.
If the kid wants to blab to investigators without a lawyer that is his right as long as his rights are announced to him.
If the kid is smart he will simply ask for a lawyer at his Miranda readings.

[Bob Wessner]

Actually there is a provision that allows them to not inform him of these rights under specific circumstances such as certain public safety issues. However they are not allowed to introduce these statements at trial. Since it appears they have more than sufficient other evidence the authorities are risking little but he may be more inclined to talk.

[cabrala]

Terry, suspect #2 went to high school in Boston (Cambridge), was a stand-out wrestler and was awarded a scholarship which he applied to UMass Dartmouth. He was seen on campus Tuesday and Wednesday after the marathon bombing. it is indeed said that he ran over his brother trying to escape before bailing on foot and presumably escaping th perimeter and hunkering in the boat.

The media coverage was a bit ridiculous and as most have said already, they were reporting any "source" whether fact-checked or not. At some points it was very clear that they were whoring themselves for ratings, but when it counted they were in position to give quality reports.

It's been an interesting week in Boston, I'm glad it's over. Below is a link from one of my friends video of the drama in Watertown. He lives a few doors down from the now infamous "boat house".

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=796UFHldHM4

[mark]

.... some insights as to how all this came to pass. ...

I'll take Bronze-Age Superstitions for $100, Alex.

[Terry in Australia]

Wow, that exchange of gunfire was a bit of a shock! How that kid survived the second hail of gunfire is beyond me, but then again, I've worked with cops before and they're notoriously terrible shots. (Bobby excluded, of course, he got his training in the two way rifle ranges of Vietnam)

Dudie, from what I can gather the FBI arrested him under the federal terrorist laws, and apparently they don't have any rights under those laws, including miranda rights. He won't have the opportunity to remain silent, apart from when he's trying to hold his breath on the water board............ Cheers, Terry. 

[BobbyR]

(Bobby excluded, of course, he got his training in the two way rifle ranges of Vietnam)

The M134 miniguns made it hard to miss. With a 16 I was mediocre at best compared to the real soldiers down below. 

[mick7504]

Wow, that exchange of gunfire was a bit of a shock! How that kid survived the second hail of gunfire is beyond me, but then again, I've worked with cops before and they're notoriously terrible shots. (Bobby excluded, of course, he got his training in the two way rifle ranges of Vietnam)

Dudie, from what I can gather the FBI arrested him under the federal terrorist laws, and apparently they don't have any rights under those laws, including miranda rights. He won't have the opportunity to remain silent, apart from when he's trying to hold his breath on the water board............ Cheers, Terry.

Followed by a hot shot of Nembutal.
Or is that being too kind?

[azuredesign]

Yep, we will probably help him to get better, then pick his brain, then kill him.
Being from Boston, and if it helps to ensure that other innocent folks are not hurt in the future, I am fine with that scenario.

[Bailgang]

Nah keep him alive so others wont look at him as a martyr, better yet give him life in prison with a cell mate named Bubba that thinks he's cute.  There was some guy years ago that was prosecuted for his involvement with the 9/11 tragedy and during the trail this guys was the most obnoxious disrespectful SOB you could imagine and it was obvious he intentionally wanted the jury to hate his guts and give him the death penalty which is what he wanted so he could be a martyr. Yeah well the jury was on to his act and gave him life with no parole instead. That guy wasn't too happy about that.

I actually feel sorry for the kid. Don't get me wrong, what ever happens in trial he'll deserve it, it's just that here's a 19 year old kid that seemed to have a bright future ahead of him but for what ever reason he instead made a choice that just plain screwed him and he can only blame himself for that regardless of any influence he may have had from his brother or anyone else.

[70CB750]

Well put, Scott.

I served on several juries before my citizenship was year old - and it is almost never pleasant experience and we even had no death involved in any of those. 

I feel sorry for the kid too - but in the aftermath it is very common and easy to forgot the rights of the victim.  Those people and all those injured did not have a chance and a choice and their life is ended, ruined, alternated.

I am not trying to argue or make a point, I am just sad and depressed by the whole event; I mean life be itself can be hard to bear without useless attacks like the one in Boston.

[demon78]

AS a grandfather, I have seen my daughter feeling so sorry for her kids that she home schooled them one kid seems to be turning out OK the other but the youngest has been felt sorry for so much that he's become a master manipulator it's never his fault for any thing, and now it's getting to point were it's being realized that the kid is out of control ( a #$%* up) and there is great wringing of hands, all along I've said come on, make him do things and if he fails don't make excuses for him, make him take responsibility for his actions and why did I come to this feeling about life, because even with best of intentions life will smack you, at least if you take responsibility for your self it makes it easier not to make the same mistakes again and again. The kid in the "Clanger" #$%*ed up, his choice, that's the way it goes, no excuses, next punishment. Think of all the ones that tried do do it right and still splat.
Bill the demon.

[Bailgang]

Whoa take it easy Greg, I'm not trying to defend the kid at all. He's old enough to know to better and delusional or not he made a choice and that choice can't be reversed because the damage has already been done and the kid can only blame himself for making that choice. As I said before, what ever judgement is given when his case comes to trial he's going to deserve it regardless of how good of a kid he may or may not have been or could've been. It just saddens/confounds me at how easily someone whom you would think would know better can justify their lethal actions and be totally OK with it.

I will give the FBI a thumbs up for catching them as quickly as they did because who knows how much more damage the brothers would have done had they not been caught as soon as they were.

[Bailgang]

I wasn't referring to you demon, Greg must've deleted his post. I don't know why because I wasn't offended by it, he was simply stating his opinion.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Wow, that exchange of gunfire was a bit of a shock! How that kid survived the second hail of gunfire is beyond me, but then again, I've worked with cops before and they're notoriously terrible shots. (Bobby excluded, of course, he got his training in the two way rifle ranges of Vietnam)

Dudie, from what I can gather the FBI arrested him under the federal terrorist laws, and apparently they don't have any rights under those laws, including miranda rights. He won't have the opportunity to remain silent, apart from when he's trying to hold his breath on the water board............ Cheers, Terry.

Nice, just throw the Constitution and the Bill of Rights out the window even though the kid is an American citizen arrested on US soil.
That makes me want to puke. There is no excuse to deny a citizen their basic rights, no matter what they stand accused of.

This should send chills down the spine of any American citizen.