Topic: Boston Marathon Explosion

[SONIC]

Wow, that exchange of gunfire was a bit of a shock! How that kid survived the second hail of gunfire is beyond me, but then again, I've worked with cops before and they're notoriously terrible shots. (Bobby excluded, of course, he got his training in the two way rifle ranges of Vietnam)

Dudie, from what I can gather the FBI arrested him under the federal terrorist laws, and apparently they don't have any rights under those laws, including miranda rights. He won't have the opportunity to remain silent, apart from when he's trying to hold his breath on the water board............ Cheers, Terry.

Nice, just throw the Constitution and the Bill of Rights out the window even though the kid is an American citizen arrested on US soil.
That makes me want to puke. There is no excuse to deny a citizen their basic rights, no matter what they stand accused of.

This should send chills down the spine of any American citizen.

Agreed.

[ofreen]

I wasn't referring to you demon, Greg must've deleted his post. I don't know why because I wasn't offended by it, he was simply stating his opinion.

I came back later and nobody had responded since I posted it.  So I decided to pull it, since I don't want to get into it while people are hurting.  I glad you weren't offended since I sure didn't mean it that way.  Compassion is a good thing and a credit to those who display it no matter who it is directed toward.

[BobbyR]

One key point of the Miranda warning is an acknowledgement that the person understands what has been explained to them. This person was seriously wounded and probably sedated with a tube down his throat. At this point we are not sure he has been questioned at all or is truly formally under arrest. At this point he is undergoing Medical treatment and is in custody for necessary Medical treatment which is allowed when an individual is unable to make their own care decision.

I am sure the Feds are still figuring out how to handle this properly. His Rights are probably intact at this point since from all reports he is in no shape to be questioned or make statements.

Advocating for people's Rights no matter how depraved they are is why the Rights were written. 

Now, the fellow that owns the Boat has not been able to examine his vessel. His neighbors say he takes great pride and spends a great deal of time keeping it pristine. If it is full of bullet holes the Insurance Company usually has an exclusion for Terrorist acts, Insurrection etc. 

 

[azuredesign]

Nah keep him alive so others wont look at him as a martyr, better yet give him life in prison with a cell mate named Bubba that thinks he's cute. 


I actually feel sorry for the kid. Don't get me wrong, what ever happens in trial he'll deserve it, it's just that here's a 19 year old kid that seemed to have a bright future ahead of him but for what ever reason he instead made a choice that just plain screwed him and he can only blame himself for that regardless of any influence he may have had from his brother or anyone else.

I think keeping him alive will always be a reminder of how he and his bro, and whoever else may have been involved  victimized our town, especially to those who were personally involved in tragedy as a result.

I dont find that I have much sympathy for someone who appears thoroughly indoctrinated in perpetuating hate crimes against innocent victims. I initially could understand sympathy based on his age and past reputation, but no longer feel that way.

[Terry in Australia]

Yeah, the insurance thing is a bummer, but I'm betting that the owner could probably sell the boat for a fortune on eBay, it'd be a bit like the "Bonnie and Clyde Car", methinks?

It's hard to imagine that kid, who has more than a passing resemblance to a young Bob Dylan in those pics, could be so evil, and could have planned further attacks, as has been mentioned on the news today.

I still don't know what his beef was with the USA, from all the interviews that have been done with his friends and teachers, he must have turned into a radical islamist in only the last few days before the explosions, because they all said he was fine, even in the days immediately after the bombings? It's certainly a weird one.

Dudie, I believe that he's been "arrested" under the same provisions as the detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Basically, he's got no rights, and the FBI/CIA interrogators will be rubbing their hands together. I'm glad that it's him, and not me........ Cheers, Terry.

[Damfino]

It's hard to imagine that kid, who has more than a passing resemblance to a young Bob Dylan in those pics, could be so evil, and could have planned further attacks, as has been mentioned on the news today.

Good call Terry, I was wondering where I'd seen him before....

[Duke McDukiedook]

He can be questioned within a period of 48 hours in the case of an eminent threat, I think there is no eminent threat in this case.
Hopefully they will come to their senses and just read him his rights and treat him as a criminal. If he wants to sing like a canary after that, so be it.

This talk of treating this guy potentially as an enemy combatant is insane, he is an American citizen arrested on American soil, this is a criminal case- treat it as such.

[Bailgang]

I came back later and nobody had responded since I posted it.  So I decided to pull it, since I don't want to get into it while people are hurting.  I glad you weren't offended since I sure didn't mean it that way.  Compassion is a good thing and a credit to those who display it no matter who it is directed toward.

I'm a really slow typer not to mention my grammar sucks so I'm always going over what I type and redoing it. I was getting ready to post a reply to someone else then noticed you had posted while I was typing so I started from scratch to reply to you which is why it took so long for me to reply. What compassion I may feel for the kid (which really isn't much) has nothing to do with keeping him alive with life in prison, it has more to do with the martyr crap extremist preach because I think it's just that, a load of crap. They can call it what they want but in my opinion it's not martyrdom at all, it's murder/suicide and there wont be no virgins waiting for them on the other side. However azuredesign makes a good point as well.

[ofreen]

What compassion I may feel for the kid (which really isn't much) has nothing to do with keeping him alive with life in prison, it has more to do with the martyr crap extremist preach because I think it's just that, a load of crap. They can call it what they want but in my opinion it's not martyrdom at all, it's murder/suicide and there wont be no virgins waiting for them on the other side.

Let's hope not.  Let's hope his reward is more like this -

Devil shoves Pineapple up Hitler's

[Terry in Australia]

Well I listened to the radio news this morning and the authorities said he couldn't be charged as an "Enemy Combatant" as he's a US citizen, so he'll get all of his rights, but apparently he's talking to the authorities and blaming his older brother for "Radicalising" him and for planning the attack, which is what I'd suspected.

They also played a lengthy recording of his mother wailing incoherently over the telephone which I found rather obscene. As a parent I can sympathise with her grief too, but that sound bite went for way too long, and I almost changed channels because it was painful to listen to. From what I can gather, his parents were good people, it's just a terrible situation all round. Cheers, Terry.   

[faux fiddy]

Well I listened to the radio news this morning and the authorities said he couldn't be charged as an "Enemy Combatant" as he's a US citizen, so he'll get all of his rights, but apparently he's talking to the authorities and blaming his older brother for "Radicalising" him and for planning the attack, which is what I'd suspected.

They also played a lengthy recording of his mother wailing incoherently over the telephone which I found rather obscene. As a parent I can sympathise with her grief too, but that sound bite went for way too long, and I almost changed channels because it was painful to listen to. From what I can gather, his parents were good people, it's just a terrible situation all round. Cheers, Terry.   

Yeah, radicalized. We had chemistry sets as kids,
( amazing I found a box of that 40 y o old crap in the shed a few days ago). Soaking tennis balls in gasoline and throwing them around, home made black powder and big booms was entertainment, not rivalry. That part of our childhoods that i8s now cause for concern of  anyone now exposed to 'radicalism' for over a decade. I'm sure our little firecrackers would have todays' contemporary children  on do not fly lists after years of psychological profiling.

Not sure if it's a good idea advertising their  "pressure cooker' bombs. There are good uses for these things outside of terism, but   now you'd be put on a list or have a background check to buy a pressure cooker?.  And black powder was some of the funest science project  sh8  from my early pre- teens as it  were and  we didn't fcuk up and loose fingers , toes or limbs  playing with it so it was all good.  Now that is not a concern, just disrupting lives with this essentially medieval technology.

We popped off our homemade stuff out in the middle of the street of a suburb. Just kids having fun, slightly younger than this Johkar  guy  who  should have been learning that this stuff is just slightly more than potentially  dangerous fun before going out and maiming 170 folks with his brothers' radicalism and crappy  ied.   And for us it wasn't about  vendettas and  hate and revenge, it was about inviting everyone over to watch $2 worth of sulfur, charcoal  and salt peter go bang.

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, I don't want to clown around in this thread because it is a serious and tragic subject, but I remember watching a Middle Eastern stand up comedian making a point about how hard it is for a young Arab male to get flying lessons after 9/11, and I imagine it'd be similar now, for a Muslim to buy a pressure-cooker. Not that restricting the sales of pressure-cookers will deter would be terrorists, methinks. Cheers, Terry.

[mick7504]

We did  much the same thing  when we were kids as well mate.
Dangerous but harmless fun.
Just kids being kids.

What is accessible through the media and internet these days has a big part to play in undesirable events occurring.
That simply was not there throughout the 60's and 70's.

I believe that a monster has been created in this area.

[faux fiddy]

Well if we had a problem with someone it didn't mean Armageddon for everyone, it was smack the guy in the face and see if he straightens out, or have a fight after school where you bloody the snow and each others' faces.

[70CB750]

Kids being kids.  I spent my youth making things that go boom, still got scars here and there    It was fun - but I would be a threat to society now, I am afraid.

[faux fiddy]

Kids being kids.  I spent my youth making things that go boom, still got scars here and there    It was fun - but I would be a threat to society now, I am afraid.

Exactly. Depending on how much $ your folks made you might be put through psychological exams, hospitalization, detention or who knows what all that would make you go Cliebold (sic).   That sort of treatment from simply having your meaningless fun would make you want to hate it all and blow it up fundamentalism or not .  A viscious cycle.

[70CB750]

In my mindless youth it could be even more complicated, because I grew up in Czechoslovakia in 70ties, 80ties.  Access to guns and ammo extremely limited and controlled and you could get in trouble fast, LOL!

But nobody cared if I carried pocket knife to school.

[faux fiddy]

Actually saw 'Dr. Boom'  back in the day, circa '77  when he gave a presentation and lecture at the public library.  Had to google the guy, got his PHD. in the '20's.    Flubber/ absent minded professor, etc was loosely based on his life story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Alyea

[mick7504]

Well if we had a problem with someone it didn't mean Armageddon for everyone, it was smack the guy in the face and see if he straightens out, or have a fight after school where you bloody the snow and each others' faces.

Yep, a black eye, a fat lip, a cauliflower ear or a good punch in the snot box and the job was done if there was a beef to.be sorted out.
Man to man and learned to respect each other afterwards.
None of this coward stuff.

[faux fiddy]

Man to man and learned to respect each other afterwards.

+1

No collateral damage for instance innocent  8 y o bystanders dying. Martyrdom doesn't have these restrictions so it's all cool now to do what gihadist fundamentalists' say is cool.  Afterall it's all about you and your religiously  repressed sexuality and 72 virgins in paradise.    Damn those infidels, it's all about finally getting yerself some a$$ and dare anyone to get in the way by running a marathon.  Maybe this event will make [force] the fundys  to be more objective and  reflective about gihadism.

[Terry in Australia]

The problem at the moment is that the attacks are not being perpetrated by organised groups of Jihadists under instruction from the Al Queda head office in Pakistan, but rather, these "home grown" terrorists will just have what they think is a great idea for a terror attack, and they do it off their backs without letting their intentions be known outside of their immediate co-conspirators.

For the authorities, this is a lot more difficult to detect and deter. In most "organised" attacks the authorities will have detected a threat over a period of time, (like the foiled train bombing in Canada this week) but the logistics of these "one off" attacks like the Boston Marathon Bombing can be concluded in as little as just few hours, and can go "under the radar", as this one did.

I think all the "Wannabe" Jihadists in the US have realised that this is something that any would be martyr can achieve with some degree of success, so without sounding like an alarmist, I can see more attacks of this nature at any event where "Infidels" assemble, and it doesn't need to be a big event like the Boston Marathon. I can see attacks at markets, swap meets, church services, local sporting events, Veterans Day parades, any medium to large crowd with minimal security will be hard for the loonies to resist............ Cheers, Terry.

[faux fiddy]

So that  logic is failed when instead of killing just an eight year old boy they by the same randomness  as if they had killed Islamic marathoners of even theie same sect..

If only we could explain it in such simple  terms to fundamentalists.

 

[Terry in Australia]

I don't think they'd be too worried about killing fellow Muslims mate, there were around 30 innocent Muslim victims killed in the 9/11 attacks, so the terrorists would probably just consider them "collateral Damage", I'm guessing.

The purpose for using terror to further their aims isn't just to kill and maim, it's to demonstrate to the American people that they can strike whenever and wherever, and as much as the authorities would like to reassure civilians that they're safe, in reality, that's not necessarily the case. Cheers, Terry.   

[demon78]

If there is enough desire in the populace to terrorize the nation it'll happen, in other words no one can stop terrorism, live with it people, no matter how much the authorities watch and crack down it will still happen, this is not a modern event it's been going on for the past century. Actually since time started.
Old RCAF saying #$%* around, #$%* around people, you can't stand peace.
Bill the demon.

[Terry in Australia]

I wish I knew what those two 4 letter words were Bill, then maybe I could understand that old RCAF saying? Cheers, Terry.