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Offline MtnPwnd

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Project 74 Cafe monster
« on: April 24, 2013, 09:56:48 AM »
Hello everyone, I've been looking to cafe a bike for a little over a year now and it wasn't until the 26th of last month that I found and bought the perfect one. It's a 1974 Honda CB750. The previous owner DID NOT do me any favors on this bike. Every bit of the bike has been an absolute pain in the ass however, this has thus far turned into a labor of love for me so I'm all for the pain and agony that I have thus suffered so far.

When I got the bike home, it was a sorry mess of wires, dirt and road grime from years past, and a terrible looking tank. However, that first weekend, I got the bike stripped, sandblasted, and primed. This last week has been all about tearing the engine apart. The guy before me left the spark plug holes uncovered so the pistons welded themselves to the cylinder walls. However, with a little bit of coaxing from a two pound deadblow and my 10'' extension, I was able to get the cylinder jugs freed from their prison.

Next order of business is to get stainless valves, valve guides, valve seats, and a weisco forged 836cc piston kit so I can get the overbore going. I'll be crinkle coating the entire thing and when I get the valve cover cleaned and coated, I'll post a picture so you all know what to expect. The paint scheme that I'll be following is a candy apple red and a heavy copper metal flake.



This is what I had waiting for me in his garage. I was excited about starting my new project due to the fact that my superhawk is damn near done. All I need to do with that is wire in the front turn signals, register it, insure it, and ride it!







This is what I found after I sandblasted the frame. In some other time, someone decided to take a hack saw to the stock swingarm. I don't know what would possess someone to do this and to what end but all I've got to say about it is dumbass. Not so sure about how the triple tree broke but it doesn't matter. I'm getting a new one anyway.





I have TONS of other pictures about the things that I've done with the bike but I don't really know where to start so I'll just post these up now and if you all want to see more, I'll post up some more. Anyway that's what I've been up to.




Started taking the valve train apart and I needed a way to keep it all organized so I arranged the parts in the exact order and location that I took them off at. I'll figure out a better system than this sooner or later to save me a headache down the road. Hopefully sooner. Hah


Because the engine was locked up, I couldn't turn the crank to get the masterlink out of the timing chain so I bought a pair of 18'' bolt cutters and cut the #$%*er off. Cost myself 30 dollars in the end but it was worth it. I'm rebuilding the whole thing anyway.


When I finally did get the head off, I found gratuitous amounts of carbon build-up on the valves. It was definetly time for a rebuild.





As I said before, the guy before me did not do me any favors. The pistons were welded to the cylinder walls but I got it off after some persuasion.

Tomorrow I'll post up pics of the pistons outside of the cylinders and me taking the top of the crankcase off.

Cracked open the crank case today. There were a lot of bolts going into that thing but I got them all figured out. I dropped the top half off at the machinst's place and he's going to hot tank it for me. When I get it back I'll crinkle coat it and wrap it in saran wrap until I get my crank bearings, wiesco forged pistons, and a complete engine gasket kit. Then I'll start to put it all back together.









Got the top of the crankcase back from the machinist today. He hot tanked it and a lot of the old paint fell off. We found that the case itself has been polished by someone. This case has magnesium in it. I imagine it would have been really hard to polish it.









I just got it taped off and am now sticking it in the oven to heat it up. I found that when you heat up the thing that your coating, it crinkles tighter and it adheres better. I'll put up a picture when I'm done.











WOW! Let me just say how impressed I am with crinkle coat in a can. I heated the thing up to 200 degrees F in the oven (God bless my wife. Haha) and sprayed it immediately following that. I'll be waiting a little bit to do the bottom because I want to make sure that I know exactly what I'm doing with the internals. I want to keep everything organized and I want to understand exactly how it all goes back together.

Just a quick update, I called Cycle X in WI today and on monday I'll be shipping out my crank and transmission (assuming I can get it out) for them to "pork chop" the crank and send me a coated race transmission. I'll get pics up of both pieces as soon as I get them back.



That is how the motor sits right now. I got antsy and went out to take it completely apart but I'm stuck on getting the transmission out. I have no idea how to take that sucker out. Figured I'd come in and do some youtubing to see if I can figure out how.

Got some parts back yesterday from the machinist. He hot tanked them for me. I went ahead and painted them last night and this is how they came out. Not to much longer and I'll have to start painting the hardware. I think I'll go with a burnt copper color

Sprocket cover


Oil pan cover


Alternator cover
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Bottom half of the crankcase
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Did some painting on the oil filter cover today.



I realize the beginning of this and all the pictures may be a little overwhelming for a new member to just come in here and post but I'm going to be really active here. I'm glyptal'ing the case this weekend, and am getting my CX-7 cam also. Mid month May I'll be ordering my 970cc pistons and getting the jugs machined out. My question is though, where can I find a good swing arm that has been either braced or boxed, or if there is even a race swingarm out there? Also, what are people doing for racing front ends? Are they swapping in something different? Putting Race tech internals in there? ANd one final thing, if someone can point me to a drouin supercharger or ATP turbo kit that would be fantastic.


BY the way, My name is Josh nelson and I'm in Idaho. I've been fascinated with cafe's for the longest time now and just recently was able to pick up this gem. I look forward to your feedback and any advice that you may have! Keep watching as this build is not going to be something that someone skipped out on. I'm doing a complete frame up cafe bike out of. This is my dream bike and I refuse to settle for anything less than perfect.
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Re: Project 74 Cafe monster
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 12:11:07 PM »
Nice start to a project! The crinkle paint is pretty cool and good tip on heating up the parts first.

A couple things I noticed:

-The cam chain may not have a masterlink  ... most of the good quality ones don't. You unbolt the sprocket, slide the sprocket off to the side and then you can just barely weasely the cam through the chain and sprocket out towards the #1 cylinder side. However, if the engine was stuck in such a place that you couldn't get the one cam bolt out then you pretty much had to do it that way anyway.

-That swingarm being cut is a testament to how overbuilt these honda's are I guess. ha I'm guessing it was done carelessly by someone who was cutting off a rusty chain?

-I cringed when you said you took your extension and 2lb hammer to the tops of the pistons  ... then I saw that you're going big bore .... hammer away. lol

-I don't know if there are aftermarket swingarms out there... I haven't heard of one.

-970cc and CX-7 cam ....  :o She's gonna make some powa!

Keep up the good work. Lookin forward to seeing more.

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 06:07:21 PM »
Thanks Iron! I'm Glyptal'ing the case this weekend (pics to follow) and I'm going to ship out the crankshaft and transmission on the first of May for undercutting and milling. I'm going streetable full race on the motor. I'd like to make at least 100hp.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 06:45:21 PM »
nice start, you're gonna need a bigger work bench ;D

THe triple probably broke because theres supposed to be a special sized washer in between the two holes that keep it from stretching too far.

bummer about the swing arm. You could weld it pretty easily. Or you could get a dresda repro boxed swing arm. Carpy sells them (cb750cafe.com)
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 07:36:13 PM »
Yeah I know Carpy does. I've been bugging him for the last month to sell me one but due to them doing some moving they aren't taking any pre-orders. I may have sourced an original Dresda swingarm from the UK anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 09:19:28 PM »
Got my new CX-7 cam and my quart of glyptal in today. Here are some pictures from that.







Tomorrow after the paint has set and cured, I'll take a picture with all the tape off so it'll be a much cleaner picture.
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Re: Project 74 Cafe monster
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 09:59:02 AM »
Triple tree was broken because the d-shaped washers that act as spacers were missing. Usually crack after a couple rides.

You can use the unique sized head washers as they are almost identical. Regular washers don't work because they are not the right thickness. Grab two head washers and grind a flat side in to them and you will be good to go. Or make sure your new triple comes with them
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Re: Project 74 Cafe monster
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 06:09:52 PM »
Yeah, I'm ditching the whole front end and will be getting a cycle ex triple tree with Ceriani 35mm GP forks.
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Re: Project 74 Cafe monster
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 11:09:49 AM »
Yeah, I'm ditching the whole front end and will be getting a cycle ex triple tree with Ceriani 35mm GP forks.
Damn, those Ceranis don't exactly grow on trees.    :o
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Re: Project 74 Cafe monster
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 01:16:22 PM »
This is a no expense spared build. I have nothing but time. I've already seen a few on ebay. Just waiting for when I'm done building the engine to move on.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 08:54:44 PM »
Great start to a build thread!

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2013, 10:45:11 PM »
Ceriani ought to look good....you can pick up Betor trees for reasonable sometimes. I got a set of Ceriani mx trees this weekend for 10 bux,  i will make a new stem, and run them .

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2013, 04:03:34 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2013, 04:31:01 PM »
Replied. I look forward to doing business with you.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 02:33:32 AM »
Why are you painting the inside of the block?

Can only see problems with doing that, like less heat dissipation, possibility of paint coming off and clogging oilsystem etc....
No cons in my book.

Please enlighten me.

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2013, 05:18:52 AM »
He coated the inside of the cases with Glyptal. It seals the pores and helps to shed oil / increase oil flow. I've been using it in hipo car engines for years. I've seen nominal improvements in pressure, horsepower (hardly worth mentioning and could have been attributed to environmental factors), and oil life by using it.

However I think the main advantage is, when you have to work on your bike, you get to see this glorious rich red color!
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2013, 07:02:11 AM »
I did it for the oil flow. And it is nice to see the rich red color. The quart was 50 dollars. Not exactly the cheapest paint out there, but well worth the benefit.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2013, 07:48:01 AM »
Are you planning on running an oil cooler?

The glyptal has a tendency of increasing the internal engine temperature about 5% (~15 degrees).
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2013, 11:08:46 AM »
Yeah I'll pick up a lockhart 500 series oil cooler when I get to that point. I really need to get pistons now so I can get the block bored out.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2013, 07:27:45 PM »
Are you planning on running an oil cooler?

The glyptal has a tendency of increasing the internal engine temperature about 5% (~15 degrees).
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 08:35:34 AM »
Just secured a set of Mikuni TMR32-D7 carbs for the project. Pics will go up as soon as they show up. It'll be a while though due to the fact that they have to be shipped from the UK.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2013, 05:24:12 PM »
I tried my hand today at hammering away at the old tank to see what kind of knee indents I could make. I know on the one picture it looks like I got a little carried away and hammered a little more forward then what I was aiming but its just the 1/4 thick blanket of bondo that is on the entire tank that is making it look like that. It came out pretty good if I do say so myself. I'll be having it sandblasted here soon and I'll do some finishing hammering on it afterwards.



This is the one where it looks like I missed a little bit.






I'm not using the tank anyway but I thought I would practice and see what kind of hammering I can do.
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2013, 11:35:02 AM »
Just a quick little update, I worked out a deal with Carpy and he's sending me his complete drouin set up along with ARD Mag, as soon as they get here I'll post pics up. Both of them came off his Koppa Kafe bike.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2013, 02:43:24 PM »
Got my supercharger and magneto in today. Pics to be up in around a half hour or so.
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2013, 02:55:07 PM »
Got my supercharger and magneto in today. Pics to be up in around a half hour or so.

A supercharger, now that's gonna be sick. Pictures!