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Sizing oil rings
« on: April 25, 2013, 04:15:01 AM »
How do you size oil rings before installation?  The compression rings are within a limit but oil rings are bit too long, anybody has a trick to do this?
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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 09:33:36 AM »
To measure a gap you put the ring in its cylinder, then push it down with the piston so it's square to the bore. If it's so long that there's no gap and it won't fit, remove material from the ends until it just fits. If it does fit in, measure the end gap with feeler gauges.
The right way to do "filing" is with a ring end grinding tool, a manual one is around $100.00. Don't try to do it on a bench grinder!!! The usual "shade tree mechanic" method is to use a thin double sided dead smooth file and take it slow and easy. Set the ring on a flat surface with the gap hanging off the side. File both ends simultaneously with the file moving up and down in the gap. Keep the file straight up and radial to the ring. Take a very few strokes and measure the amount the gap changed to get an idea of how fast it's cutting before you go too far. It's easy to file open the gap, impossible to close it.
So you measure, remove some material, measure again... repeat until you have the spec gap for your bore size.
You should push the ring down a couple of inches to get out of the high wear area of the cylinder where it might be slightly oversize. The end gap is to avoid seizing so you want it set at the smallest cylinder diameter. Freshly bored cylinders should be the same size all the way, I set the end gaps slightly tight on these to allow for the ring seating and cylinder honing smoothing during break-in..

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 10:00:53 AM »
Thank you!  I have done it on compression rings - didn't know if the oil ring is done differently.

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 11:06:03 AM »
Make sure there are no burrs left on the corners of the rings that could gouge the cylinder walls.

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 11:26:00 AM »
By the sound of things you have got one-piece oil rings, right? If so, I'd seriously consider getting hold of the 3-piece ones rather than trying to gap those.

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 11:43:06 AM »
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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 03:25:33 PM »
AOK, you'll have to file those really carefully, there's not much metal to work with and you need to be careful the ring doesn't catch on the file and bend.

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 03:57:18 AM »
Turns out impossible to measure the gap of the oil ring.  That thing is too springy for anything precise.

Yesterday I assembled old oil ring on #3 and new oil ring on #2.  No compression rings, just two oil rings, and I was able to install jugs and move pistons up and down.  After that I tried just the old on on #3 and later just the new one on #2.  It all worked, even the new oil ring and there is no significant force or anything.

Is it safe to asume that the new oil ring does not need to be shortened? 
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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 11:33:48 AM »
Coulda sworn TOTAL SEAL told me to NOT adjust the 3 piece oil rings, just don't overlap the ends?? Check their site.
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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 01:22:01 PM »
Ring gap is designed so that when the engine heats up expands ... including the oil rings ... that the rings do not butt up against each other. This causes a huge amount of drag on the rings and thus heat and can cause them to seize or score the bores.

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Re: Sizing oil rings
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 02:19:02 PM »
Yes, I got that, but the wavy ring is a spacer holding apart the two thin oil rings. I dont think i need to check the spacer ring gap.
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