Topic: serious clutch issue "STILL!" Help!

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Ok, so I just finished my bike. Took her out for a shakedown run. no issues. Went 25 miles to the next town, ate some lunch, fired her up and went over to a buddies house to rub in the fact that mine was complete and his wasn't. pulled in my clutch lever, and bam, right there in his driveway my case broke. it seems to have broke under the pressure of the clutch actuator? I don't know. anyone have an Idea why this happened. i'm going to replace it (obviously) but I would be double mad if it did it again....

[greenjeans]

Don't usually/ever see that happening.   I wouldn't worry about it happening again.

You have the correct number of steels & plates in there ?   

You didn't notice any horrible vibrations in the motor did you ?

[MCRider]

Man! You or someone else been in there?

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

I fought with the number of steels/plates all winter. Finally got it right. Everything else was smooth. No issues. Then as i went to stop in my buddies driveway i pulled in my lever, felt a little resistence then boom.

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Yeah, me. Lol. But i checked and double checked tge number of plates. Put in new fiber plates. Felt great until this

[CycleRanger]

What kind of springs did you install?

[bjbuchanan]

Springs or stack height I think

I dropped you a pm also

Get it diagnosed first before attempting anything with a new cover

[SONIC]

Karma for rubbing it in obviously

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

What kind of springs did you install?

stock springs. NOS i found.

Stack height? not familiar

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Karma for rubbing it in obviously

exactly what I was thinking.... stupid me. but now my bike is blocking his work space. hahaha

[bjbuchanan]

Though I don't think it was a tightening procedure issue, from what I have seen it looks like a different failure but here are some good threads I dredged up for you

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=106700.0

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=37507.0

First two prob aren't too much help directly but maybe indirectly glean some info from it.

The third link this guy broke the cover just like you so I would read through the whole shebang. Has to do with clutch plates, thickness, springs, all types of good stuff. He resolves it at the end too

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=109380.0;nowap

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Ordered a new cover today. Waiting for it to show up. Still cant figure out what happened. The best i can recall is when i took off the cover after it had tried to blow open, i did not find nut lock nut on tge actuator. Lets say that it vibrated off. Ive got another picture of the basket ill post tonite, but could that have anything to do with it. Wouldnt my clutch lever just be out of adjustment? What would cause lever resistence, enough to try and force my actuator out of the case.

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

SO i got the bike home today from my buddies house. Inspected my clutch basket a little better, this is what I saw. Then I noticed that I had some freeplay in the basket. I could grab it and pull it out and in a little. maybe a 1/8th inch. removed my springs and fount that the basket nut had backed off. I set the retainer, at least I am pretty sure I did. so when it backed out, it allowed the clutch basket to move outboard, maybe jump a tooth so when I pulled in the lever it met full resistance? Just speculating. I am going to inspect whats there, wait for the new parts, and give her another try.

[Tews19]

What kind of gun is that in your avatar? I recently bought my first hand gun, springfield xdm.

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

What kind of gun is that in your avatar? I recently bought my first hand gun, springfield xdm.

BARF!

no offense, sorry. I'm not an XD fan. GLOCKs, XDs, and the like are not my thing. but at least you got a gun so thats what counts. Seriously, I didn't intend to offend you, just not a fan.

That in my avatar is my Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag... just one of my babies. I actually named my First born son after that gun, no kidding...

I hope you enjoy that XD though. A lot of people do.

[MCRider]

SO i got the bike home today from my buddies house. Inspected my clutch basket a little better, this is what I saw. Then I noticed that I had some freeplay in the basket. I could grab it and pull it out and in a little. maybe a 1/8th inch. removed my springs and fount that the basket nut had backed off. I set the retainer, at least I am pretty sure I did. so when it backed out, it allowed the clutch basket to move outboard, maybe jump a tooth so when I pulled in the lever it met full resistance? Just speculating. I am going to inspect whats there, wait for the new parts, and give her another try.

IT had to be something like that. I've never seen that kind of damage from any of the run of the mill clutch problems. Usually you can't get the thing together or working at all if everything isn't right. Yours probably was all right, then that nut backed off.

[Tews19]

What kind of gun is that in your avatar? I recently bought my first hand gun, springfield xdm.

BARF!

no offense, sorry. I'm not an XD fan. GLOCKs, XDs, and the like are not my thing. but at least you got a gun so thats what counts. Seriously, I didn't intend to offend you, just not a fan.

That in my avatar is my Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag... just one of my babies. I actually named my First born son after that gun, no kidding...

I hope you enjoy that XD though. A lot of people do.

None taken. I read lots of negative stuff on the XD but the reviews on the xdm where all positive. I didnt care for the glock19 or the s&w shield or s&p . I liked the 19 rd magazines

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Once this cover comes in i am going to give it anothe shot. Once I got it all apart and looked at that i am confident that my problem was that nut. Is thread locker ok for right tgere or would it make tgat nut impossible to remove later?


My beretta holds 17. Even 15 rouds suits me. Id trade the mag capacity for overal weapon function any day

[bjbuchanan]

Given what happened to you I would use the gentlest thread locker. I wanna say there is a green one that is a softer touch than the blue, but I could be wrong. Either way don't use the red

[MCRider]

Given what happened to you I would use the gentlest thread locker. I wanna say there is a green one that is a softer touch than the blue, but I could be wrong. Either way don't use the red

Right. Keep in mind there are many thousands running around without threadlocker. Meaning a proper assembly, torque on the nut and setting the lock tab, should be enough.

[MoMo]

Given what happened to you I would use the gentlest thread locker. I wanna say there is a green one that is a softer touch than the blue, but I could be wrong. Either way don't use the red

Right. Keep in mind there are many thousands running around without threadlocker. Meaning a proper assembly, torque on the nut and setting the lock tab, should be enough.

Agree with Ron,  I have never used anything other than proper assembly and torque.   The loose clutch hub nut could easily cause that damage...Larry

[bjbuchanan]

I don't use it either but I should have phrased the response better. I meant "if" he uses it then use the one with the weakest bond strength

[MCRider]

I don't use it either but I should have phrased the response better. I meant "if" he uses it then use the one with the weakest bond strength

Right that's how I took it, and agree.

[MoMo]

me too    Larry

[PeWe]

Maybe this one.
Check the link where the author write "Get them meshed properly...."  after that photos. Other threads here describe this too.
http://honda-cb750-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html

[Roach Carver]

I may be late to the party. I did this exact thing. Busted my plate too. If the adjuster jam nut gets loose it can do that. The actuater gets out of whack and bam! Busted plate. Replace the actuater and coresponding cover. Adjust it right and make sure to tighten that jam nut.

[scottly]

SO i got the bike home today from my buddies house. Inspected my clutch basket a little better, this is what I saw. Then I noticed that I had some freeplay in the basket. I could grab it and pull it out and in a little. maybe a 1/8th inch. removed my springs and fount that the basket nut had backed off. I set the retainer, at least I am pretty sure I did. so when it backed out, it allowed the clutch basket to move outboard, maybe jump a tooth so when I pulled in the lever it met full resistance? Just speculating. I am going to inspect whats there, wait for the new parts, and give her another try.

Why is there a bolt missing from the lifter plate?

[lucky]

You better not put it back together until you remove that clutch pressure plate and get another one. That is what caused the problem.
See that broken off ear?

There is a trick to getting that plate back on the right way.
What you have to do is keep turning the bolts a little at a time and KEEP tapping on the plate the whole time so that it stays lined op on the little notches on the back of the plate.
MANY MANY people have broken those plates during installation.

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

That bolt stripped out. The plate ears were cracked already, i thought i could get away with it ( stupid). I got new parts on the way. Proof possitive that shortcuts will cost more in the long run

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Got the stripped bolt out. Just waiting on the cover to come in. I am hoping my problems will be solved and i can get this beat dog off the porch again

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

Got my cover in and installed. Now the bike wont roll in gear when i pull in the clutch. Adjusted as much as i could. Still wont roll. Pulled out tge plates and inspected tgem. One was warped. Figured ok, that could cause pressure keeping it from rolling with tge lever engaged. Checked the rest they are fine. Installed a new plate i had, tried again, same deal. Wtf. Now what. Pulled apart, tried again. Same deal. Wtf again. At it all day, same results. Lots of questions.

1. How tight should the jam nut be?
2. Would stacking plates affect this?

My setup is fmfmfdfmfmfmf
F fiber
M metal
D double plate

3. Springs?

[Tews19]

Not positive but I think the double plate is on F models. Did you compare you first set up with the new one? Is the cover the same as the busted one?

[CycleRanger]

Check out the service bulletin images in this thread and see if they are of any help.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=103851.0

[Sixgunsrattlesnake]

cover is the same and that plate was there when I disassembled it. only difference is there was a plate that looked like a fiber plate but had no corks on it. (external teeth) it would not fit with my new plates because the overall stack height with new plates was too thick with it. so i removed that. but it ran fine without it until i broke the old case.