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Offline stevenmac

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Buffing old paint?
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:49:24 AM »
Hey there,

I just acquired this tank for my K3. It's the original, correct color. I want to buff it out and apply a fresh clear coat over the top. Anyone done this? Advice as to what materials I should use? I do not want to sand it all the way and repaint. Any thoughts appreciated.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 11:53:38 AM »
I've used these products with great results. There are different abrasive cuts so make sure you don't go too coarse.

http://www.meguiars.com/en/professional/products/
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 12:04:15 PM »
Be careful what you use for clear!...the original paint is laquer and does not necessarily play well with modern automotive paints.  It was not clear coated originally.  You may find that just buffing the old paint will make you quite satisfied...
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 12:08:38 PM »
Really? It wasn't clear-coated originally? That's news to me. I'll continue to gather info before I attack the surface.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 12:22:13 PM »
Spraymax2000 works well with laquers and is ultra-violet resistant and fuel resistant. It sprays on easily and buffs to a nice shine.

Meguiar products? In my experience they just suck. 3M stuff works a lot better.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 01:21:28 PM »
Spraymax2000 works well with laquers and is ultra-violet resistant and fuel resistant. It sprays on easily and buffs to a nice shine.

Meguiar products? In my experience they just suck. 3M stuff works a lot better.

Spraymax2000 is the one with the button on the bottom of the can, right? My initial concern is buffing the original paint--and I'm unsure whether I should be cutting through a top layer. If, as Seanbarney41 says, there was no original clear coat, then I would think not.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 01:32:39 PM »
3M Rubbing Compound on a DA buffer is awesome.
that might be all you need followed by a good polish and wax.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 02:16:35 PM »
Here's something you might find helpful if you're kind of new to paint restoration, I found it very thorough.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYed_Hnrql4
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 02:32:17 PM »
Use a fine rubbing compound and rub by hand. Do not use a buffer. Then follow with a cleaner wax. Finish with your favorite wax.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 03:04:41 PM »
It depends on the condition of the paint, but in most cases, I always start with something fine, like 3M perfect-it rubbing compound (kit scratch out works pretty well too and is cheap!), and if that doesn't produce the results I'm after, I start over.

If the paint isn't too thin on top, (or severely sun faded) you can probably wet sand starting with 1000 grit and work your way up to 1500 or so, then use the fine rubbing/polishing/finishing compound of your choice.

The caveat to wet-sanding is that if the paint is thin and you go through, you've made things pretty ugly and there's no going back.  But on the flip side of that, you can get out old fuel stains pretty effectively if you can pay attention to what you're doing, use new paper in clean soapy water, and not go overboard.

An alternative would be to make a bigger investement in finishing materials and spend the time polishing it out.  I use a cyclo dual head polisher- http://www.cyclotoolmakers.com/polishers.php  3M makes good stuff, and so does Meguiars in my opinion.  But whatever you decide on, use that whole system- 3M in particular.  They spend a lot of time engineering their products to work together, and so do other companies.

With some attention to detail, it's pretty easy to save a tank like you've got.  Making them shine again is always a fun project, good luck!

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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 03:21:53 PM »
Spraymax2000 works well with laquers and is ultra-violet resistant and fuel resistant. It sprays on easily and buffs to a nice shine.

Meguiar products? In my experience they just suck. 3M stuff works a lot better.
you still don't want to cut through any layers...it is candy, metallic candy in your case.  The color was created by a coat of metallic silver as base, and then very thin, semi-transparent, coats are layered on top until the color and depth is acheived...so, if you cut through the color, it's gonna look weird...I suggest trying a fine polishing compound first, if it works? wax it, your done
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 04:33:07 PM »
This is what I would do:  I would wet sand it.  I would start with 1000 and work up to 1800.  I would sand lightly.  Then I would buff it, with a buffer.  Then I would use a fine scratch remover and buff it again.

If it does not give the results your looking for, pullout the 1500 grit and lightly wet sand again.  Then clear it.  Then start with the 1000 and go through the original process.

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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 07:14:59 PM »
 Mine is that same color, fade matte looking on top, sides are shinier, If you wet the top with water it looks normal, while wet..So I would say my clear wore off the top...
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2012, 04:43:42 PM »
Spraymax2000 works well with laquers and is ultra-violet resistant and fuel resistant. It sprays on easily and buffs to a nice shine.

Meguiar products? In my experience they just suck. 3M stuff works a lot better.
you still don't want to cut through any layers...it is candy, metallic candy in your case.  The color was created by a coat of metallic silver as base, and then very thin, semi-transparent, coats are layered on top until the color and depth is acheived...so, if you cut through the color, it's gonna look weird...I suggest trying a fine polishing compound first, if it works? wax it, your done

His tank color doesn't look bad at all. I would do nothing more to the paint than clean/shine it up. 3M anti swirl remover should work good enough. After that I would want to protect it as best as possible, that's why I would use Spraymax over the original paint.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2012, 04:59:36 PM »
No matter what has been said, go with the least aggressive option until you find out what you require.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2012, 06:35:45 PM »
I have a similar tank and planned to wet sand, clear and buff.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2012, 09:17:14 PM »
I cleaned up my 350f with rubbing compound and then polishing compound. I had some bad paint in areas, so I cleaned off all traces of the compounds and sprayed the tank with the closest match I could find. I then lightly wet sanded the spray off the original decals and polished the tank again before spraying a few coats of spraymax 2k. It holds up to fuel and looks great. Plus, all the bad paint has been covered. Total cost was maybe $40 and I salvaged the tank and original decals.
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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2013, 11:23:49 PM »
Update: tragedy.

I started this tank project and had to back-burner it because I was busy with other things. Here's what happened. I got set to treat the inside of the gas tank via electrolysis (as you may have seen...removing all rust with a battery charger...). But--I was worried about the electrolyte solution bubbling over and damaging the paint, so I coated the tank with a thin layer of grease, followed by saran wrap, before I started the process. Then, I got side-railed, the tank sat for a couple months like so. Last week, I filled it with solution and hooked up the anodes and all that and the electrolysis process worked perfectly--pulled every last speck of rust from the inside of this tank. So I'm stoked, right?--and I dry it out and fog it with WD40, and then finally pull the plastic off the outside and start washing off that layer of grease. The result: #$%*!

The grease, rather than protecting the paint, attacked it. Maybe destroyed it. Certainly destroyed the decals. It looks awful. I am absurdly bummed out. It took a long time to find a 1973 Candy Bacchus Olive in good exterior shape. But I eventually found one, and in the process of resurbishing it, #$%*ed it up.

I'll post pictures if I can drum up the nerve.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2013, 11:53:12 PM »
That's terrible bad luck. Let us know what grease you used so we can stay clear of it.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Buffing old paint?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 08:38:53 AM »
I used wheel bearing grease because it happened to be nearby.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2013, 08:42:14 AM »
Dont worry about the decals...  If the paint can still be buffed out you still have a chance!