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Offline dkirk

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Cb500 stopped running
« on: May 12, 2013, 04:28:04 PM »
So,  I finally got some issues resolved with my cb500.  Took it out for a ride came to a hill that I needed to stop at. When pulling out the bike seem to bog down, pulled the clutch let it rev up again and tried pulling out again.  Same bogging and then stalled out. Could not electric start, so I kicked and got it running again. Let idle for a few, turned around and went home.  Thought maybe it was all operator error so went for another ride.  Riding fine until I did the same thing at another hill.  After the second shut off though I now have no power,  no lights, no starter, no horn.  So I pushed home 2 miles and put it on the battery tender.  What do I start looking at first?  I would search the forum but I am kinda lost at this point and don't even know where to start!   73 cb500,  2 to 1 exhaust, pod filters not put on by me (no I don't have the stock air box), don't know the jetting.   Help please

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 04:43:14 PM »
After your battery is charged check your main fuse and go through your wiring connections with a meter checking for voltage drop.
 Sounds like a corroding fuse holder or wiring connection problem,
Simple stuff first from the battery ground  connection forward.

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 05:20:16 PM »
Ok, so battery says it is fully charged, still no power.  Pulled off the side panel which is the main fuse?  There is one that I noticed is melted into a plastic cover this about 2 inches long and is a cylinder type.

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 05:38:36 PM »
Update on the melting fuse is that it is not snapped inside the glass but it doesn't look well.  Definately getting hot enough to melt the plastic case it is in. 

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013, 06:06:50 PM »
So melted plastic and electrical systems are never a good combination, as I'm sure you can guess.

Many say that these old bikes have charging systems that could barely keep up with demand even when the bikes were new. Additional resistance in the system shows itself pretty quickly as the charging system cannot keep up. I struggled through this process last summer sorting out a bunch of gremlins of my own.

All the metal connectors inevitably oxidize and corrode with time and as a result cause resistance. Resistance then causes heat, heat causes more resistance, which of course causes more heat, etc etc. It's a vicious loop that leads to bad things. In the case of your melted fuse block, there's enough current, or amperage, running through that part of the circuit to generate enough heat to melt the plastic. I would imagine that your main fuse it the one that melted in. At this point your fuse block is toast and you need to replace it. You can track down a used or NOS one but as long as you're going to the trouble of de/resoldering the fuse block, you should replace it with a modern blade style fuse. More betterer and such. I put a 5 fuse block into my 550, 3 active fuses and two spots for spares. Cost less than $20. It's pretty simple to figure out a way to mount it in the same place as the stock block.

So it's clear, since your fuse block melted, that there was enough corrosion on the blades that hold the fuse to cause some significant resistance. Now there's a whole bunch other of individual wire connections throughout the system, and it's safe to say they are also corroded and causing resistance. It's best to go through every wire connection and lightly abrade the connectors, both the male and female fittings. Then grease them up with dielectric grease and reconnect firmly. Sounds tedious, and it is, but it's really not that bad and you really get to know the bike. A wiring diagram and a multimeter are necessities. And so is some good old fashion patience.  :) Noodle around this website and there's VERY complete and easy to follow instructions for bringing your charging system back into good health.

http://www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com/

Also, to additionally decrease the load on the system you can replace some of the lamp with LEDs. Brake light, all the idiot lights, speedo and tach lights. I did the math once but don't remember the numbers, but that alone drops a couple of amps off the demand.

It's a decent bit of work, but it really helps avoid inevitable goofy electrical problems down the road that can be nightmares to diagnose. I'll post a pic of my *modern* fuse block if you like. That's my 2c, hope it helps and good luck.
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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 06:50:23 PM »
Percolate,  thanks for all the info, since you seem to have a good handle on the electrical end of the bike I have a question.  The previous owner put on a secret kill switch connected to the ignition.  It is a toggle switch that can cut electric to the key.  Could this be creating more resistance and cause the heat?  In the box of parts that he gave me with the bike there is a package for a six amp switch.  If the fuse is a 15 amp then this switch is only 6 would this create problems.  I have cut the switch out and reconnected the wire!  Thanks again for your help and also I would like to see a picture of your fuse block!

Thanks
Doug

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 07:33:09 PM »
Thanks, I'm still wrapping my head around things but they get more and more clear with each new problem to solve. It can be a frustrating way to learn but quite gratifying when things finally work out.

Re. the 6A switch on the 15A circuit, that doesn't sound good. But depending on exactly where it is in the circuitry it could be just fine; e.g. the stock kill switch on the bike. If the switch were the main problem, then it would have melted or worse. But instead your fuse block melted, so that's where the biggest problem is. I'd remove the switch too though.

Here's a couple pix of my fuse block. I used some socket head cap screws with nuts on the back side to attack it in the original location. Had to drill an extra hole in the bracket on the bike. Hope this helps.

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013, 08:45:42 PM »
Percolate:
Dkirk's is a CB500, so he has just one lonely 15A fuse.  ;)

Dkirk: you can get a real nice fuseholder at an auto parts store that holds one fuse of the modern ATC type. This will help you in several ways, not the least of which is in finding fuses. Get one that has YELLOW lead wires on it, which will be heavy-duty. Some of them come with wimpy 20 gauge wires in Red or some other color. Make sure it is rated for at least 20 amps when you pick one out.

If the new fuse still gets hot, you may have a bad rectifier, caused often by clipping a 10 amp battery charger (or bigger) to the battery while in the bike. Only use little 1-6 amp chargers with these critters, to prevent this problem. This is the most common failure that can mimic the symptoms you've described so far.
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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 09:00:50 PM »
"...so he has just one lonely 15A fuse."

Oh no! That poor guy!  ;D  I guess having only one fuse makes things more straight forward though.

...and I defer to someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Thanks for the clarification HM. And re. rectifiers and battery chargers, I always learn something form you. Yup.  :)



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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 11:55:00 PM »
if your handy with solder you can set it up like this,i dont like the old glass fuses.

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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 08:22:09 AM »
Replacing the original tube fuse holder was one of the first things I had to do to my 500 when I got it a few years ago. The metal connections were corroded and it started melting the plastic tube fuse holder. The blade fuses are much easier to find and it's simple enough to solder a blade fuse holder in there. I picked mine up from the auto parts store and it even snaps in nicely to the original mounts that held the plastic tube fuse holder. The only issue I had was that there was not much wire to work with once I snipped out the melted plastic tube fuse holder, but there was enough to get it done.
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Re: Cb500 stopped running
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 03:15:00 PM »
Thanks everyone for the help!  I am going to replace the fuse holder with a blade type. The switch is out, and I am checking the amps on the charger. 

As for the bogging on starts up a hill, am I an aweful rider, or carbs need a cleaning?  Maybe it is something one has to experience in person.  I am wondering about the jetting in the carbs with the pods filters.