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« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2013, 04:54:45 PM »
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Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. […]

In 2007, before the current economic downturn, an American family filed for bankruptcy in the aftermath of illness every 90 seconds; three quarters of them were insured.

Since 2001, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems has increased by 50%. Nearly two thirds of all bankruptcies are now linked to illness.

How did medical problems propel so many middle-class, insured Americans toward bankruptcy? For 92% of the medically bankrupt, high medical bills directly contributed to their bankruptcy. Many families with continuous cover- age found themselves under-insured, responsible for thou- sands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs. Others had private coverage but lost it when they became too sick to work. Nationally, a quarter of firms cancel coverage immediately when an employee suffers a disabling illness; another quarter do so within a year. Income loss due to illness also was common, but nearly always coupled with high medical bills.
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« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2013, 05:35:20 PM »
Well put Bob. I don't think you and others put yourself in harms way for things to turn out like this. I find this all very sad.   
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« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2013, 05:47:22 PM »
Going Back through some of these posts let me remind all that name calling and personal attacks violate forum rules also so lets cut it out.
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« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2013, 06:02:38 PM »
Healthcare system is not perfect in any country in the world.  That's why everybody is trying to reform it/improve it/adjust it.  It is just the nature of the beast. b/c the healthy people pay for those who are sick now and in turn will eventually expect support themselves.  I know Germany had some rough time after East Germany joined in. Czech Republic is reforming since the fall of communism - I have quite few MDs in the family and they fill my ear every time I dumb enough to ask :)

The cost in USA is quite high and one of the reasons is the law and lawyers.  Many, maybe majority doctors have several lawsuits going against them all the time and for this, they pay extensive insurance, because it seems that everybody and his brother thinks they can get rich from grandpa who died in hospital.

I was in a jury for malpractice, this older gentleman died one week after knee surgery and the widow sued the anesthesiologist for a big sum of money.  It got thrown out, she did not have a case, but for US doctors, the insurance is necessity and in the final turn it is paid by sick people.

Of course nobody will go after the lawyers, most of politicians are lawyers, even Obama is a lawyer - he turned the license in from what I know. 

Back to the original topic - healthcare reform is needed. personally I miss the opportunity to buy decent health care insurance as a single person or family.  It depends on the negotiating power of the subject how good health care insurance you can get and of course bigger corporation has bigger leverage for that.

Over in Czech Republic, you have to pay your health insurance  no matter what, if you are unemployed, the government will pay it for you.  But that insurance is the same as everybody else, and the senate will not try to wiggle out of it because it is too expensive - such as US Senate.

Bottom line, health care reform in US is necessary, just like (almost) everywhere else.  Unfortunately, the current administration is likely the most corrupted and mafia like in the last 80 - 100 years of the history of USA.  That means that not much good will come out of it.  Just that the apparently corrupted and profiling IRS is in charge of healthcare is very disturbing.

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« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2013, 06:04:35 PM »
I messed up on that last post,
but
agree with everything said there.

Hope to find lower prices in Monteal, but there is no garuntee
my brother says. Sometimes the rare drugs are expensive
everywhere.
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« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2013, 06:13:11 PM »
I messed up on that last post,
but
agree with everything said there.

Hope to find lower prices in Monteal, but there is no garuntee
my brother says. Sometimes the rare drugs are expensive
everywhere.
I hope you do find a lower price in Montreal. If the drug helps you, you should not have your situation exploited.

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« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2013, 06:34:33 PM »
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Well put Bob. I don't think you and others put yourself in harms way for things to turn out like this. I find this all very sad.   

Yep. It really leaves you scratching your head.

It boggles the mind that we have so many people that are completely opposed to healthcare reform.  If you are lucky enough to have insurance, all it takes is one trip to the ER to figure out that something is horribly wrong with our current system.

It has reached a point that many companies don't offer insurance. That leaves the employees no option but to rarely go to the doctor. Then, when they finally have no choice whether by accident or illness, they get a bill that is so far out of the realm of what they can afford that they have no option but to not pay it.

On the other hand, I work with people that have the same opportunity to have health insurance that I have.  However, they choose not to buy in because they know that even if they do, they can't afford the co payments, deductibles, and other out-of pocket expenses.  As sad as it is, they are correct.  We have many people at our company that simply can't afford to have insurance so instead of paying an amount that they can afford into the system, they pay nothing.

I don't understand why we can't just have a flat tax that goes straight to healthcare and everyone that gets a paycheck contributes to the system.  We could easily come up with enough money to give everyone outstanding health care. 

On a personal note-  I am 48 years old and have reached a point in my life that I have achieved some moderate success. I am now completely debt free, have a few dollars invested for my retirement, and have even managed to stockpile a bit of expendable cash.

I would like to quit my job and start a business of some sort.  However, my wife just decided to quit her teaching job and take a contract job that offers no health insurance. Putting her and my son on my policy will cost me about $600 additional dollars per month for mediocre insurance. That's about $350 more than it was costing at her teaching job.  Now that I have to put them on my policy at work I am feeling trapped in my current job. It has been a rude awakening to find out how much it costs for private individuals to get health insurance.  Insurance that is even close to what we have now would cost me at least another $1000 per month.   I can't imagine quitting my job, paying $1,600 a month for insurance, and then dumping most of my savings into a business.

I really admire anyone who is able and willing to take the risk to try to get a business off the ground in this economic environment.

 

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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2013, 06:56:42 PM »
^not to mention if you were to lose your job and therefor your insurance. This is a big problem that isn't talked about enough. Having our insurance tied to our employment makes it a double whammy if and when you find yourself out of work. Beyond simply that our "system" makes absolutely no fiscal sense, the stress and lack of mobility also drags our economy.

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« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2013, 06:57:19 PM »
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Well put Bob. I don't think you and others put yourself in harms way for things to turn out like this. I find this all very sad.   

Yep. It really leaves you scratching your head.

It boggles the mind that we have so many people that are completely opposed to healthcare reform.  If you are lucky enough to have insurance, all it takes is one trip to the ER to figure out that something is horribly wrong with our current system.

It has reached a point that many companies don't offer insurance. That leaves the employees no option but to rarely go to the doctor. Then, when they finally have no choice whether by accident or illness, they get a bill that is so far out of the realm of what they can afford that they have no option but to not pay it.

On the other hand, I work with people that have the same opportunity to have health insurance that I have.  However, they choose not to buy in because they know that even if they do, they can't afford the co payments, deductibles, and other out-of pocket expenses.  As sad as it is, they are correct.  We have many people at our company that simply can't afford to have insurance so instead of paying an amount that they can afford into the system, they pay nothing.

I don't understand why we can't just have a flat tax that goes straight to healthcare and everyone that gets a paycheck contributes to the system.  We could easily come up with enough money to give everyone outstanding health care. 

On a personal note-  I am 48 years old and have reached a point in my life that I have achieved some moderate success. I am now completely debt free, have a few dollars invested for my retirement, and have even managed to stockpile a bit of expendable cash.

I would like to quit my job and start a business of some sort.  However, my wife just decided to quit her teaching job and take a contract job that offers no health insurance. Putting her and my son on my policy will cost me about $600 additional dollars per month for mediocre insurance. That's about $350 more than it was costing at her teaching job.  Now that I have to put them on my policy at work I am feeling trapped in my current job. It has been a rude awakening to find out how much it costs for private individuals to get health insurance.  Insurance that is even close to what we have now would cost me at least another $1000 per month.   I can't imagine quitting my job, paying $1,600 a month for insurance, and then dumping most of my savings into a business.

I really admire anyone who is able and willing to take the risk to try to get a business off the ground in this economic environment.

 
Well thought out response. It quietly illustrates the bind we find ourselves in and feeling trapped. I am older than you and I do qualify for Insurance as a retiree from my old Company at a high rate. My Wife still works there so I moved to her policy. My employer pays OK, But the coverage sucks.

I had Prostate Cancer 3 years ago. Thank God we had a good Company. With all the tests, consultations and finally the Radiation treatments, I know I would be living in a tent.
I was able to pick and choose the best people and advanced tests. If I went to a public Hospital or the VA, I would not have gotten people that specialized in high dosage treatment which makes a huge difference, but takes a lot of experience and constant planning review and changes. They don't come cheap. 
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2013, 06:58:11 PM »
^not to mention if you were to lose your job and therefor your insurance. This is a big problem that isn't talked about enough. Having our insurance tied to our employment makes it a double whammy if and when you find yourself out of work. Beyond simply that our "system" makes absolutely no fiscal sense, the stress and lack of mobility also drags our economy.
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« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2013, 08:07:38 PM »
Btw, I'm so glad we are going to fix this issue right here on the forum:). It's about 18% of our GDP going down the drain.
Many developed countries spend half that in the health care industry...e.g Canada/Australia/Japan are/were less than 10%gdp in recent times....the US spends nearly twice as much for a system that provides a lesser level of care to the majority of citizens...as indicated by various sources including the WHO findings.

Here, top family coverage can be obtained for $50-$65 per week (assuming continual coverage has been maintained) from private health insurers. Coverage includes choice of doctor and private hospital treatments. They pick-up the agreed gap between gov approved/paid rate and provider charging. Some costs/extras are not covered (if not recognised by the gov). Most have a excess (usually upto $500 for hospital admittance/procedures. Expenses beyond the covered levels are between the patient and the provider.

Most tax-paying aussies pay 1.5% of income towards the gov financed share of our health scheme.

Some surveys have shown that about 60% of Americans would support meaningful change to their health system, that provided better health outcomes and affordability to more/most people.........

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« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2013, 08:12:30 PM »

I don't understand why we can't just have a flat tax that goes straight to healthcare and everyone that gets a paycheck contributes to the system.  We could easily come up with enough money to give everyone outstanding health care. 

That's what we have here in Oz mate, us taxpayers pay around 1.4% of our salaries and we get basic healthcover. Sadly no dental or optical, but even so, if we go to the hospital with a life threatening illness, we won't get turned away. Definitely not "Outstanding", but not bad.

We have private health cover in Oz too, and I've gotta say, the cost of health cover in the US is ridiculous, I just got a quote for the "premium" top cover (all the frills including optical and dental, private rooms, lap banding, blah blah blah) for the wife and I, and it was well under 300 bucks per month. I'm still "umm-ing" and "ah-ing" about whether I need it or not though, our taxpayer funded "Medicare" system is probably all I need, and the VA pays for my service related injury treatment. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2013, 09:10:02 PM »
Btw, I'm so glad we are going to fix this issue right here on the forum:). It's about 18% of our GDP going down the drain.
Many developed countries spend half that in the health care industry...e.g Canada/Australia/Japan are/were less than 10%gdp in recent times....the US spends nearly twice as much for a system that provides a lesser level of care to the majority of citizens...as indicated by various sources including the WHO findings.

Here, top family coverage can be obtained for $50-$65 per week (assuming continual coverage has been maintained) from private health insurers. Coverage includes choice of doctor and private hospital treatments. They pick-up the agreed gap between gov approved/paid rate and provider charging. Some costs/extras are not covered (if not recognised by the gov). Most have a excess (usually upto $500 for hospital admittance/procedures. Expenses beyond the covered levels are between the patient and the provider.

Most tax-paying aussies pay 1.5% of income towards the gov financed share of our health scheme.

Some surveys have shown that about 60% of Americans would support meaningful change to their health system, that provided better health outcomes and affordability to more/most people.........

I have been wondering for years why we do not have a medical system that makes sense.
Believe the answer lies in greed,
but not solely;
partly in the need to make money.
The American system does provide for the most extensive research into new medications in the world.
Without profits to drive individuals, and
yes, coporations to develope these new medications the whole world would be in dire straights.

Without gross profits, less research is done, as the  more intellectually, highly qualified individuals pursue other lines of employment starting at the college levels.

ie,

not many people go into low/underpaid nor uncompensated positions like:
priesthood,
peace corp worker,
nun,
religious teacher, (shaman, buddist instructor) etc etc.

I know my reasons to be upset with my current situation has
risen others negative feelings towards the health care industry in the USA,
but
per my brother emeshed in the health care system in Canada (for example)
he says there are also many negatives that acompany the national health care systems.

There has to be a middle ground which should be addressed by USA congressmen,
but I fear will never happen due to the enoumous amounts of $ involved.

We Americans can only hope and pray those in power enact an equitable solution.

Me? I'm not holding my breath,
and praying one day I find employment to reduce the financial stress my wife feels over this.

sorry about the rant and not being able to figure out why "speeel check" didn't work on my post

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« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2013, 10:01:37 PM »


Bottom line, health care reform in US is necessary, just like (almost) everywhere else.  Unfortunately, the current administration is likely the most corrupted and mafia like in the last 80 - 100 years of the history of USA.  That means that not much good will come out of it.  Just that the apparently corrupted and profiling IRS is in charge of healthcare is very disturbing.

OK, off my soap box now.


In the last 100 years...wow... you really do have a short  memory. ;D 

check em out for yourself but here are some highlights from the list of the previous "occupant".
 
If you check out the link you may notice the very long lists for G.W. Bush and Ronald Reagen.  Everyone else, even Nixon's lists, are a lot shorter. ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

Plame affair (2004), in which CIA agent Valerie Plame's name was leaked by Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, to the press in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the reports used by George W. Bush to legitimize the Iraq war.  A CIA operation investigating Iranian nuclear programs was outed.

Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. It was later determined to be outright false.

Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney . 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007

 Cash Payment Scandal:  On June 20, 2005, the staff of the Committee on Government Reform prepared a report that revealed that $12 billion in cash had been delivered to Iraq by C-130 planes, on shrinkwrapped pallets of US $100 bills. The United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, concluded that "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste.... Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents...." Henry Waxman, commented, "Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?" A single flight to Iraq on December 12, 2003, which contained $1.5 billion in cash is said to be the largest single Federal Reserve payout in US history.

Jack Abramoff Scandal in which the prominent lobbyist with close ties to Republican administration officials and legislators offered bribes as part of his lobbying efforts. Abramoff was sentenced to 4 years in prison.

NSA warrantless wiretapping
.  President George W. Bush implemented a secret program by the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on domestic telephone calls by American citizens without warrants, thus by-passing the FISA court which must approve all such actions. In 2010, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker ruled this practice to be illegal.

"Lawyergate" Or the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy refers to President Bush firing, without explanation, eleven Republican federal prosecutors whom he himself had appointed. It is alleged they were fired for prosecuting Republicans instead of Democrats.
 
 And of course the biggest lie of all that led to the deaths of tens of thousands, many of them women and children.
2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use.  But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy."


So 70CB750, you wanna explain your previous statement.  ::) 

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« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2013, 11:12:18 PM »
The American system does provide for the most extensive research into new medications in the world.
Without profits to drive individuals, and
yes, coporations to develope these new medications the whole world would be in dire straights.

Thanks Michel, I should have realised there was a reason why you guys are all getting your pants pulled down by your medical system, it's because America alone is responsible for all of the advances in medical science around the world! Yay! ;D
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« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2013, 02:19:57 AM »
The American system does provide for the most extensive research into new medications in the world.
Without profits to drive individuals, and
yes, coporations to develop these new medications the whole world would be in dire straights.



Thanks Michel, I should have realized there was a reason why you guys are all getting your pants pulled down by your medical system, it's because America alone is responsible for all of the advances in medical science around the world! Ya! ;D

Am I being too American here? This opinion is probably outdated,
I SHOULD have said,
the majority of new drug discoveries are by large corporations,
WHOM
used to be mostly American owned but are now global entities driven by profits
for the stockholders.

Terry,
have I been reprogrammed by the American drug company advertisement  campaigns?
Will this new drug fix it? :-)

Time will tell.
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« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2013, 02:33:18 AM »
I just found out this drug was just approved by the FDA in 2006.
Bet my mother would have loved it if the drug had been available for
the last 10 years of his life. He died at the age of 52 (1972)
and I sometimes wonder if his death was partly from being so tired,
inattentive,
from not being able to sleep many hours in a row.

Maybe it was the reason he fell off a roof,
lived with back pain etc etc for the last 5 years ,
 but his health took a steep dive
after recovering from breaking parts in his back. :(

Guess I will never know.

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« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2013, 02:45:21 AM »
The American system does provide for the most extensive research into new medications in the world.
Without profits to drive individuals, and
yes, coporations to develop these new medications the whole world would be in dire straights.



Thanks Michel, I should have realized there was a reason why you guys are all getting your pants pulled down by your medical system, it's because America alone is responsible for all of the advances in medical science around the world! Ya! ;D

Am I being too American here? This opinion is probably outdated,
I SHOULD have said,
the majority of new drug discoveries are by large corporations,
WHOM
used to be mostly American owned but are now global entities driven by profits
for the stockholders.

Terry,
have I been reprogrammed by the American drug company advertisement  campaigns?
Will this new drug fix it? :-)

Time will tell.
Peace,
michel

I think Terry was quietly suggesting that there are also other countries that develop large amounts of drugs besides the USA and don't charge like a wounded bull whilst selling to the public, like Australia for example we are at the forefront of plenty of medical breakthroughs {with out going into specifics, its easy to look up} in Cancer, brain surgery, transplants and lots more. I read an article recently that was about  US drug companies not developing some drugs because they can't control patients long enough or make enough money, so break through and better treatments aren't be developed because they are sitting on them, rather than developing them,  think that says a lot......I don't think a lot of people realize how much is developed at low costs by universities and sold to drug companies who then charge the same as they would if they had done all the R&D themselves...
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« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2013, 02:54:14 AM »
The American system does provide for the most extensive research into new medications in the world.
Without profits to drive individuals, and
yes, coporations to develop these new medications the whole world would be in dire straights.



Thanks Michel, I should have realized there was a reason why you guys are all getting your pants pulled down by your medical system, it's because America alone is responsible for all of the advances in medical science around the world! Ya! ;D

Am I being too American here? This opinion is probably outdated,
I SHOULD have said,
the majority of new drug discoveries are by large corporations,
WHOM
used to be mostly American owned but are now global entities driven by profits
for the stockholders.

Terry,
have I been reprogrammed by the American drug company advertisement  campaigns?
Will this new drug fix it? :-)

Time will tell.
Peace,
michel

I think Terry was quietly suggesting that there are also other countries that develop large amounts of drugs besides the USA and don't charge like a wounded bull whilst selling to the public, like Australia for example we are at the forefront of plenty of medical breakthroughs {with out going into specifics, its easy to look up} in Cancer, brain surgery, transplants and lots more. I read an article recently that was about  US drug companies not developing some drugs because they can't control patients long enough or make enough money, so break through and better treatments aren't be developed because they are sitting on them, rather than developing them,  think that says a lot......I don't think a lot of people realize how much is developed at low costs by universities and sold to drug companies who then charge the same as they would if they had done all the R&D themselves...

Really.....hmmm, I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense.
Again, driven by profits, non?
I imagine said universities receive some compensation in return depending upon the profit that company makes.
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« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2013, 03:03:21 AM »
Terry,
have I been reprogrammed by the American drug company advertisement  campaigns?


Yeah Michel, I'm not waving the flag for Oz so much, (I'll let Mick do that ;D) we're leading the world in beer science, and that's good enough for me, but I think Britain and Europe might be pissed off that you think that the US is leading the world in medical research. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2013, 03:04:30 AM »
I just found out this drug was just approved by the FDA in 2006.
Bet my mother would have loved it if the drug had been available for
the last 10 years of his life. He died at the age of 52 (1972)
and I sometimes wonder if his death was partly from being so tired,
inattentive,
from not being able to sleep many hours in a row.

Maybe it was the reason he fell off a roof,
lived with back pain etc etc for the last 5 years ,
 but his health took a steep dive
after recovering from breaking parts in his back. :(

Guess I will never know.

peace,
michel

Hey Michel, was your mother really a guy? Wow. ;D
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2013, 03:05:29 AM »
I'm not sure exactly how it works but i think the drug companies buy the patients directly no percentage is paid to the Universities, I could be wrong though... Here's a couple of interesting articles to browse on the drug companies.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/business/cancer-physicians-attack-high-drug-costs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.wanttoknow.info/truthaboutdrugcompanies
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2013, 05:10:04 AM »
Terry, Aussies et al,
Oh Yeah! :-)
Disprove this FACT:
America has the greatest number of the smartest people on the Planet,
therefore,
it logically follows we have the best researchers, and we're better looking.
SO THERE!

(this is in jest now, so don't you'll get a hissy fit)
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2013, 08:35:01 AM »
Sad commentary - USA is broken.   Will never be fixed.   Too many people.  Too many crooks.  Too much greed.  Too many people to effectively govern.

But...  where else can you go to such great sporting events, find old CBs here and there and generally travel to fantastic and different places in 1 country.
I'll never move.   I grew up in a time when they actually taught math.

I have voted in every election since 1985 (city state and local).  Nothing will ever change - the ball got rolling long before I was born - too big to stop.

I choose to keep my head buried in the sand and enjoy things while and where I can.  I know that I will probably die a decade or more earlier than I should because I won't be able to afford the necessary tests, drugs and procedures that I will eventually need.  I have a job and "insurance".

Can't believe I even read through this post.

Michel, I hope you find a solution to your sleep issues.   I don't sleep well either, and am jealous of those who do.
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Re: Drugs in the USA
« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2013, 09:51:06 AM »
To get back to sleep I was one of those fortunate ones that could flame out on the mainspar of a Neptune doing a power performance check when I was  young and single but not anymore, now I'm lucky to hit 0300 and get back to sleep after that, who knew?  God Bless those who can sleep and yes I do spend weeks sleep deprived and the only thing that works for me is daytime naps.
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