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« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2013, 09:12:36 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2013, 06:57:59 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2013, 07:05:38 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2013, 11:07:55 PM »
Looks good Mark. So no paint at all on the top end?

I think that will depend on how it looks after the wash and the soda blast. The cases on mine were painted (by Honda), but the head never was. It was pretty obvious when I got the bike, but that's how many of the Old Factory bikes were in those days. They didn't get "pretty" until partway through the K2. This is probably why so many of the K0/K1 top ends today are in such corroded states. I've kept up with mine, brushing and polishing if I wasn't riding (my pet?), just 'cuz. ;)
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2013, 11:09:55 PM »
Fabulous fin reconstruction!  There's a bent one on my "blank canvas" motor -- can it be straightened?

Umm.. - about 50% of the time, if it didn't stretch the metal on the top side of the bend. I tap them back into place with a wooden dowel, a ball peen hammer, and closed eyes at every stroke....it doesn't always work. :(
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2013, 11:13:52 PM »
I read your notes about the wearing off of the rocker arms, something I never though about. But I am not sure how to distinguish a good from a bad one. If you have the possibility, would you post some pictures of that?

Thanks,

Davide

The wear on the "foot" at the places that ride the cam will show wear once in a while (more so on the post-1976 engines, not as hardened rockers), but the main place is inside the bore where they ride the shafts. You need to check it with an ID bore gage and micrometer directly: measure at 90 degrees to the length of the arm and also in line with the axis of the arm, then subtract the two numbers to find the wear. Typically, if the wear is less than .005" on the rockers, they work fine, over that they get a little 'clickety' at speed. If you ride behind a big fairing (like the Vetter) you can hear this more than without one.

I kinda like it, myself... :D
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2013, 12:04:54 PM »
Hey Mark,

Can you post some comparative pics of the pads with worn through surfaces, slight wear and new pads?

Kinda tough having yer bike down and not riding huh?  ;) There's just NO comparison to a new engine in your bike vs the old edition.
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2013, 11:11:43 PM »
Hey Mark,

Can you post some comparative pics of the pads with worn through surfaces, slight wear and new pads?

Kinda tough having yer bike down and not riding huh?  ;) There's just NO comparison to a new engine in your bike vs the old edition.

Hi, Bud! How's your foot? Man, that's a bad day's ride you've had.. :(

By "pads", do you mean the rocker foot?
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2013, 11:23:15 PM »
Boy, you gotta love those [rare] Stellite guides...
Took the head apart tonight for measuring stuff. The best valve-in-guide wiggle was .0020" (not bad), the worst is .0055". I  guess I'll have to give in to a new set of guides.  :'(
Stellite guides are REAL hard to find. About like NOS oil pumps. But, a member here long ago (like 5 years ago) sent me a set of the proper pointy-headed exhaust guides for a K1 engine, just like mine, and they are REAL old Honda packaging, and look and feel like Stellite! I might be lucky, there, if my machinist doesn't break one of them on install (they ARE brittle). I have a set of newer Honda intake guides, but they are cast iron like the post-1974 bikes, and won't last as long, by a stretch. Maybe brass this time?

The worst wear on these stellite valves: .0002" on 3 of the intake valve stems (one has no measurable wear, using micrometer). There is no measurable wear on the exhaust stems, at all, even compared to a brand-new valve. The seats: that's another story. They all look a little dished, so I'll have to find out if grinding them will work, or if I will have to get new ones. If their diameter comes out too small after refacing, maybe someone can use them in a hotrod CB650? The tops all have to be reground, too, because of the chips and dished wear from the rockers pushing so relentlessly on them for so long. :)

Here's my head parts collection, spread out on the hood of my '67 Ford (poor thing...).
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2013, 11:57:24 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2013, 01:16:33 AM »
I thought the 650's had a different size stem, I could be wrong though ;D
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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2013, 05:36:45 PM »
I thought the 650's had a different size stem, I could be wrong though ;D
I think you're correct. I saw a 650 head recently with big intake valves at the local machine shop. The wrench there told me they were "cut down 750 valves that I left there last year".

Now I know where those went...
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2013, 09:42:34 PM »
Hey Mark,

Can you post some comparative pics of the pads with worn through surfaces, slight wear and new pads?

Kinda tough having yer bike down and not riding huh?  ;) There's just NO comparison to a new engine in your bike vs the old edition.

Hi, Bud! How's your foot? Man, that's a bad day's ride you've had.. :(

By "pads", do you mean the rocker foot?

Coming along slowly but surely, thanks. Foot, yeah I'm thinking, the part that contacts the cam lobes.
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« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2013, 03:45:06 AM »
I thought the 650's had a different size stem, I could be wrong though ;D
I think you're correct. I saw a 650 head recently with big intake valves at the local machine shop. The wrench there told me they were "cut down 750 valves that I left there last year".

Now I know where those went...
I guess if you want you could bore out the guides to fit them if you want... Hmmm I'm getting some ideas ;D
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2013, 12:09:02 AM »
Hey Mark,

Can you post some comparative pics of the pads with worn through surfaces, slight wear and new pads?

Kinda tough having yer bike down and not riding huh?  ;) There's just NO comparison to a new engine in your bike vs the old edition.

Hi, Bud! How's your foot? Man, that's a bad day's ride you've had.. :(

By "pads", do you mean the rocker foot?

Coming along slowly but surely, thanks. Foot, yeah I'm thinking, the part that contacts the cam lobes.

Oddly enough, mine barely show a line across them. I think I have some around here that weren't so lucky, though, will see if I can find them.

Between the Stellite exhaust parts and the rockers, shafts, and even the pistons and rings, I'm pretty impressed how little wear there seems to be. The intake valves were leaking a little, probably because it hasn't been on a long hiway tour in 5 years. That always seemed to make them clean up nicely.

The tranny: that's gonna be another story. I had 4 Neutrals (reliable!) and no Neutral light, even though the switch works fine when removed from the engine. I will be interested in seeing those parts next (but I think Father's Day at the in-laws will preclude it this weekend).  :(

I did get my new turn signals! Installed them tonight, am 'pretty-ing up' the rear. It was pretty "early marriage" when I added the Krauser bags and racks, made brackets out of whatever I had that fine day in June, 1980. Now I have sleeved wiring, diamond lamps, will shortly have some lightweight chromed cross-stabilizer bracketry finished (gotta hit the mill, first) and will lose about 2 lbs. of hardware in the process. All new stainless or chromed bolts and nuts, too: it earned it! I found an almost brand-new rear fender and taillight, they are next.

Then comes the front end...
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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2013, 08:59:05 AM »
Hi,

I see you are going to use for the rebuild parts as close as possible to the original. There are everywhere on the market spare parts that claim to be better (heavy duty, race, etc.). Why not using something like this just for longer life? From your experience are these claims real ?

Thanks,

Davide

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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2013, 09:41:35 AM »
I'm late to the party!  ;D
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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2013, 12:02:22 PM »
Hi,

I see you are going to use for the rebuild parts as close as possible to the original. There are everywhere on the market spare parts that claim to be better (heavy duty, race, etc.). Why not using something like this just for longer life? From your experience are these claims real ?

Thanks,

Davide


Well, so far in my experience, the Honda parts have been the longest-lasting stuff. The pre-1976 750 was engineered with "face" in mind, as Honda was very scared of a widely-visible public failure of this bike. This was likely responsible for the Honda 90-like top end (rockers and SOHC), so mechanics would be familiar with it, and they hardened the cam AND rockers (an unusual thing), the shafts, the valves, and used Stellite in the valve guides (until 1973 K3 models). The oil pumps have Rockwell 60 hard gears, so anything that goes thru them gets ground to dust without losing oil pressure, and a separate oil tank was added to cool the oil down, just in case. Honda never made any money on the bikes until the K2 series, as the failure of the K0 carbs made them go back and review the carbs, the chain and drive, the inner gears of the tranny, and a LOT of other things, and they plowed all that $$ back into the R&D that became the K2. While the K0 broke the "usual record" of mileage for bikes before rebuilds (discounting the BMW R60), the K2 put that one to shame in the end. ;)
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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2013, 01:42:05 PM »
Nice history lesson, thanks HM...Larry

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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2013, 08:50:54 AM »
Love this ! It's verry impressive just to learn from your knowledge Hondaman ! Thanks !
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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2013, 09:03:25 AM »
thanks for the history professor hondaman!
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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2013, 09:36:15 AM »
Hi,

I see you are going to use for the rebuild parts as close as possible to the original. There are everywhere on the market spare parts that claim to be better (heavy duty, race, etc.). Why not using something like this just for longer life? From your experience are these claims real ?

Thanks,

Davide


Well, so far in my experience, the Honda parts have been the longest-lasting stuff. The pre-1976 750 was engineered with "face" in mind, as Honda was very scared of a widely-visible public failure of this bike. This was likely responsible for the Honda 90-like top end (rockers and SOHC), so mechanics would be familiar with it, and they hardened the cam AND rockers (an unusual thing), the shafts, the valves, and used Stellite in the valve guides (until 1973 K3 models). The oil pumps have Rockwell 60 hard gears, so anything that goes thru them gets ground to dust without losing oil pressure, and a separate oil tank was added to cool the oil down, just in case. Honda never made any money on the bikes until the K2 series, as the failure of the K0 carbs made them go back and review the carbs, the chain and drive, the inner gears of the tranny, and a LOT of other things, and they plowed all that $$ back into the R&D that became the K2. While the K0 broke the "usual record" of mileage for bikes before rebuilds (discounting the BMW R60), the K2 put that one to shame in the end. ;)

What about raw power?  How does the K2 compare to the K0?  In your book and from your post I got the impression the every year after the K0 the engine was detuned a little.

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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2013, 11:32:01 AM »
Hi,

I see you are going to use for the rebuild parts as close as possible to the original. There are everywhere on the market spare parts that claim to be better (heavy duty, race, etc.). Why not using something like this just for longer life? From your experience are these claims real ?

Thanks,

Davide


Well, so far in my experience, the Honda parts have been the longest-lasting stuff. The pre-1976 750 was engineered with "face" in mind, as Honda was very scared of a widely-visible public failure of this bike. This was likely responsible for the Honda 90-like top end (rockers and SOHC), so mechanics would be familiar with it, and they hardened the cam AND rockers (an unusual thing), the shafts, the valves, and used Stellite in the valve guides (until 1973 K3 models). The oil pumps have Rockwell 60 hard gears, so anything that goes thru them gets ground to dust without losing oil pressure, and a separate oil tank was added to cool the oil down, just in case. Honda never made any money on the bikes until the K2 series, as the failure of the K0 carbs made them go back and review the carbs, the chain and drive, the inner gears of the tranny, and a LOT of other things, and they plowed all that $$ back into the R&D that became the K2. While the K0 broke the "usual record" of mileage for bikes before rebuilds (discounting the BMW R60), the K2 put that one to shame in the end. ;)

Hondaman...  where does the F2 (and its motor) figure into this ??
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Re: Headline: Hondaman gives in and rebuilds his old friend!
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2013, 10:59:25 PM »
Got my cylinders back from boring, cleaning them up. Time to remove some of the old flash casting edges, while I have it down.
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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2013, 11:35:20 PM »
What about raw power?  How does the K2 compare to the K0?  In your book and from your post I got the impression the every year after the K0 the engine was detuned a little.

That's correct: the K0 produced a carefully-built 67 HP (or a little more) on every bike built. The K1 let this slip to about 65 in the "old factory" bikes, and a little less in the 'new factory' bikes, from less hand-finishing of the ports and some leaning out of the fuel mixtures to reduce plug fouling by bankers and lawyers who were putting around town in 4th gear during their 1 mile commutes. ;)

Everyone was riding this new machine!

The K2 dropped to about 62 HP, due to a more restrictive set of pipes and an airbox to match, and the new 18 tooth front drive sprocket. The ports were also not very well finished, as this was the era when Honda was really struggling to produce enough of the bikes: the demand was off the charts. The K3 was produced for a shorter time than the K2, but more than 50,000 of them were made: these bikes lost power to loosened cam specs, less-than-great port shapes, and several quality 'slips' that happened as workers were crawling over each other to build them. Meanwhile, the K4, which used fewer parts and had better paint, was being perfected to optimize things at the 'new factory'.

One of those things was lowered compression, to use regular gas in the US where we had a nasty gas shortage going on, and at first this was accomplished with 1mm taller cylinder castings. Later, this distance (0.8mm, typically) was added to the deck surface of the heads because of better molds. The use of the newest-technology injection-molded heads was the centerpiece. This made picture-perfect heads and ports that needed little production 'help', so they came out in great numbers, fast. Some of these appeared on the later K3, but most are one the K4/5/6 and F0/1 engines. They are identified by the lack of the 2 holes in the bottom fins that were used to fixture them for all sorts of work: it was not needed anymore. They are also visible by the taller distance from the edge of the intake valve (or exhaust, for that matter) to the deck surface, where the 0.8mm was added. This increase the chamber volume by about 0.5cc and makes the compression 8.8:1 or so. Naturally, this lost some power, too.

The cam changed for the F0 engine, mostly to meet emissions at 2500 RPM (that was how silly the EPA rules of the day were: idle and 2500 RPM tailpipe sniffs, cars or bikes). The 4-1 headers of the "F" bikes were also implemented to be able to meet the EPA testing rules: it was impossible to measure 4 individual pipes at that time in most emissions stations. Honda was trying hard to comply with EPA demands: yet Kawi, Suzy, and Yamaha were not ever required to meet the specs, and make 2-stroke bikes at the time. This is our government, but that's another topic...

The fule was getting better in the US by 1975, so Honda hazarded a HP increase in the F1 engine. This was done with the PD carbs and an improved 4-1 pipe that acted a little bit like a header (and was 8 lbs. lighter than the F0). All sorts of HP numbers were being advertised then: the F0 was first touted at 72 HP, then at 76 HP. Cycle magazine could only get 66 HP in the F0 test on their dyno, though, so it was thought these new numbers might be "crankshaft ratings" (whatever that meant?) in the American press. Meanwhile, those of us with well-broken in K0/1/2 bikes were kicking the F0 into a corner on the street, and taking on the Z1 successfully. We snickered (and wondered) at the magazines' HP numbers in those days. It came to a head at our shop in 1974, just before I left, when I 'tuned' a K3 for one of our customers who wanted to take a Z1 and a BMW R90 at the weekend drags. The following week, both that Z1 and the R90 were in my shop, asking for "some power increase, because I [we] got beat by an 'old' Honda 750 last week". :)

I was not directly working on the 750 (in shops) during the reign of the F2/3 and K7/8, as I had just moved to Colorado. It was about 5 years later (mid-1980s) before I got into those models. The larger F2/3 valves (compared to the K7/8) seemed strange to me, and they wear out fast for their guides and stems, but while they last they do breathe better than the earlier engines. The F2/3 also got some extra cam lift (about .3-.4mm on average, as measured - not as advertised), with steep opening ramps to sort of increase the duration without getting the valves too close to the pistons. This led to "snap" marks on the closing sides of many F2/3 cams, which is how their valve trains take such a beating. If the F0/1 cam is used instead, the top end lasts much longer for the trade, while losing a fraction of a HP at 8500 RPM. I have junked more F2/3 cams than all others combined, over these years, because they have a 'snap', or 'crease' where the rocker slaps against the closing side ramp on the intake valves. This is real hard on the rocker foot.

The F2/3 was said to develop (in advertising) as much as 78 HP. In real life, I think they make about 72-74 real HP on the final drive. The bikes, as delivered, came with overly-heavy 630 chains and even O-ring chains, and a very heavy 4.50x17 rear tire, all of which ate a good portion of that power back up in losses. IMO, this probably cost the bikes the street cred they could have had at the time. Lightening up the drive train by using modern chains in 530 size and either 18" rear wheels or tires like the lighter Metzlers can bring back that 'lost' HP. ;)
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