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Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« on: August 01, 2006, 12:29:17 PM »
I'm confused I bought a 76 auto and a few days later I bought a 77 auto... the 76 has a clutch and the 77 doesnot have a clutch I have seen 76 without clutches... what gives??? can anyone explain... >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 12:49:50 PM »
HUH????  Hondamatics don't have clutches, regardless of the year. 
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 01:07:47 PM »
Sorry this one does??? >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 02:31:49 PM »
Need a picture to help explain your story... if it's an automatic, what do you use the clutch for????

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 02:43:51 PM »
If its a Hondamatic it doesnt have a clutch lever. It does have a rear brake lever where the clutch would normally be though
If it has clutch and 6 speed transmission the motor has been changed.
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 03:22:17 PM »
yep no clutch just a torque converter...peace
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 04:51:34 PM »
My friend has a very original 76 Automatic, which I have ridden a few times.
Definitely no clutch.
The engines were unchanged during the production run. The differences between years was about 4-1 exhaust going to 4-2 from 76 to 77 and spoke wheels going to comstar for the 78 model. As well as a few cosmetic/colour changes
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 05:58:25 PM »
yOU KNOW FELLAS i WORKED WITH MOTORCYCLEC FOR MOORE YEARS THEN YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS EARTH...LET ME EXPLAIN IT MORE CLEARLY..... THE 76 HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLUCH THAT WORKS WITH THE AUTO/TRANS.... WAY BACK IN THE 40'S CHYSLER CORP. BUILT A STANDARD AND AUTO THAT WORKED TOGHEATHER... THIS CB750A HAS A CLUTCH THAT WORKS WITH THE 2 SPEED HONDAMATIC.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND????? IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT PLEASE KEEP YOUR SMART IDEAS TO YOURSELF THANK YOU....i WOULD LIKE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SOMETHING TO PLEASE SAY SOMETHING...

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 06:15:19 PM »
.i WOULD LIKE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SOMETHING TO PLEASE SAY SOMETHING...

I know something! ;D

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 06:39:31 PM »
Good tactic, shouting at and insulting those who you want to help you.  By god we owe it to you, right!
3rd post to the forum, too.  Impressive.

Such endearing words will almost certainly get you the information you deserve.

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 06:45:12 PM »
yOU KNOW FELLAS i WORKED WITH MOTORCYCLEC FOR MOORE YEARS THEN YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS EARTH...LET ME EXPLAIN IT MORE CLEARLY..... THE 76 HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLUCH THAT WORKS WITH THE AUTO/TRANS.... WAY BACK IN THE 40'S CHYSLER CORP. BUILT A STANDARD AND AUTO THAT WORKED TOGHEATHER... THIS CB750A HAS A CLUTCH THAT WORKS WITH THE 2 SPEED HONDAMATIC.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND????? IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT PLEASE KEEP YOUR SMART IDEAS TO YOURSELF THANK YOU....i WOULD LIKE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SOMETHING TO PLEASE SAY SOMETHING...

WeLL TEHN I MITE IMAGUN TAHT IF YUO AER NOT MISTAKIN ABUOT TEH FACT TAHT IT HAS A CLUCTH TEHN IT IS A OEN-OFF ADN HAS BENE CUSTOMISED!!!11 OMG WTF BBQ
Sorry, but #$%* man, cut the crap with the caps. No one here has heard of Honda releasing an auto with a working clutch. At least no one that has read this thread yet.
And hell, there are some old timers here, so unless you are three days older than god, I doubt you've "WORKED WITH MOTORCYCLEC FOR MOORE YEARS THEN YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS EARTH".
No.


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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 07:03:56 PM »
Easy everyone.

Seems like a couple of pictures of the two bikes in question would be very useful.

I find no reference to a clutch on any of the 750A's. There's even a forum for the Hondamatic cycles.

http://www.cvmg-gpr.ca/hondamatic/
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2006, 07:05:51 PM »
 >:( >:( >:(Explain this .. when the clutch is engaged the motor can be started... or you can put it in neutral and it will start...when your riding an come to a stop you must put it in neutral or put the clutch in... i don't know if this is a one of a kind or all 76's were all like this???  this bike has a torque converter,only two speeds... the 77 & 76 look the same except the cluch... now back to the original question ???? is there anybody on this form quilified to awnser...I would realy appriciate an inteligant awanser???

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2006, 07:20:11 PM »
By  the name alone, it doesn't make sense to have a clutch...Where does the cable go(I assume it is not hydralic), posting pics would sure help..

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2006, 07:28:02 PM »
now back to the original question ???? is there anybody on this form quilified to awnser...I would realy appriciate an inteligant awanser???


You proved yourself, within your first three posts no less, to be a beligerent, unappreciative, egotistical, self-righteous, conceited person with nothing of real value to contribute to this group.

The rules state you need to have at least 500 posts before you can start acting like that! ;) ;D

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2006, 07:43:30 PM »
>:( >:( >:(Explain this .. when the clutch is engaged the motor can be started... or you can put it in neutral and it will start...when your riding an come to a stop you must put it in neutral or put the clutch in... i don't know if this is a one of a kind or all 76's were all like this???  this bike has a torque converter,only two speeds... the 77 & 76 look the same except the cluch... now back to the original question ???? is there anybody on this form quilified to awnser...I would realy appriciate an inteligant awanser???

Clearly we are all stumped. Can you post some pictures?
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2006, 07:47:51 PM »
An Automatic with a clutch makes as much sense as a four wheel drive with only two wheels. Is this serious or an August Fools joke? :)

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2006, 12:39:27 AM »
AW #$%* Gordon I've only got just about 299 posts, another 201 to go before I can be like you say
AW #$%* :) :)

Post some pictures of the famous or infamous clutch and its location on the bike..

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I used to drive a very old Daimler car - it was something like a 5 litre V8- weighed in at about 2 ton, and it had a unique piece of automation in that it had what I think was called a

"PRE-SELECT" Clutch, very much like a blinker arm on the side of the steering column with the gears 123DNRP, you also had an extra pedal on the floor next to the brake - but only half the size.. you basically operated it by selecting the gear to start in "P", started the car, and when ready to go forward, you selected the 1 by moving the arm into the 1 position then just pumping the clutch up and down once, you are now in gear and need either throttle or brake, it would not change gear until you selected the next range ie 2, then thump the clutch up and down again. needless to say it was a bit like a manual, but you did not need to control the pedal to ride the clutch in operation. "D" was like normal auto changes, but to change down you had to move it into 2 then jump the pedal again, fun but sometimes a pain..

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2006, 01:08:23 AM »
An Automatic with a clutch makes as much sense as a four wheel drive with only two wheels. Is this serious or an August Fools joke? :)

  Complete fiction. The REAL Triker1 can actually spell. Also anyone this stupid couldn't operate a hammer much less a motorcycle. A fun little break from all the great tech info :)
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2006, 07:05:47 AM »
Well you certainly stirred up a nest didnt you triker. not much I can add that others have not already said. We are here to try and help. You want a "qualified" person to answer? What is your definition of "qualified"? Does a person have to show you papers or something? You want "qualified" go to a dealer and see what you get.

That being said, I did check into this some. Since the automatic began selling in 1975, yes 1975 is started to sell in canada before the US, There has been NO clutch AT ALL.  You have torque converters and a HI-LO SELECTOR! Did you get that? NO CLUTCH AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. IF you have a clutch, then you do not have an automatic OR the bike got bastardized by some pervious owner that made some type of mod to it.

So in simple language, if your bike is stock, it does NOT have a clutch.

Now we do have other auto owners here and we try to help them however we can but the auto sold even less than the cb650 did.

We are happy to help BUT not when the person asking for help is acting like a jackass!  Clear up your tone towards people and you will receive more help.

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2006, 09:55:31 AM »
damn,cool thread... :D
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2006, 09:40:05 AM »
Iv'e ridden my 76 Hondamatic for over 20,000 miles and it does not have a clutch.  It has a torque converter and a two speed semi (you have to shift it yourself) automatic.  The only thing on the left side of the handlebars is a grip and few electrical switches for the lights, turnsignals, and horn.  When you come to a stop, you just stop and the thing will idle in gear, just like any other modern vehicle with an automatic.  As was said earlier, all 750 'matics are pretty much the same, less a few minor bolt on equipment changes.
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2006, 10:26:32 AM »
maybe someone fitted a trombone slide.
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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2006, 11:48:50 AM »
Hi all. I am new to the forums and am serving crow today. :)  I own a '77 CB750A Hondamatic with 15K and it does does NOT have a hand operated clutch, of course.  :)

When I read this thread last week I was chuckling with everyone else who thought that the guy asking about it was nuts or had a modified bike. While looking through the Hondamatic Shop manual this weekend for other info guess what I spotted??? That's right!!! :o A Clutch Switch!!!  LOL!!!

Here's the deal. For the 1976 model the manual has a picture of a clutch lever on the left hand handle bar just like a manual tranny bike but it does not show a clutch cable, even though there is a spot for it. Instead it shows another connection, closer to the handlebar, that looks like a wire attached and it is refered to as a Clutch Switch! LMAO!!! There is no text anywhere else in the manual about it. Just in the diagram for year 1976. The 1977 and 78 models did not show the clutch lever. And only one small diagram showed the clutch for the 1976. Other diagrams and photos do not show a clutch lever.

I re-read the origonal posts and he says that the clutch had to be pulled in to start the bike or first shift it into nuetral before you can crank it. I believe it. It's just another way to disconnect the torque convertor from the rear wheel. My guess is that it controls a soleniod valve that can block fluid pressure to the 2 clutches in the autotranny. (It has 2 sets of clutch plates, one set for each "gear" selection).

Mystery solved???  My "factory" Honda Manual includes all three years. Maybe the 1976 version has more details on the Clutch Switch. Anyway, his bike may be very rare and worth a lot of collectors dough...

Mmmm!!! This is goooood crow!

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Re: Hondamatic one has a cluch / one doesnot have a cluch/76/77
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2006, 12:05:43 PM »
Very interesting. A collective  :-[.
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