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Offline MILO

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Spray Guns
« on: June 15, 2013, 01:50:25 AM »
Howdy!

I havn't been on here in ages.... Well I'm back!
I'm looking at getting a spray gun, to paint things....ironic?
To paint bike frames, tanks, everythings.... Also to paint car panels when needed.

Do you guys have any recomendations spray guns?
I want a decent one, for general use. I'm not sure if I should get gravity fed or suction fed.

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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 03:55:38 AM »
G'Day Milo, well the gun is one part of the equasion, but don't forget that you'll need a compressor, hoses, filter/regulator, etc etc.

If you're gonna spray frames you'll probably use enamel or 2 pack (nothing to do with dead rappers) and if you're gonna do tanks etc you'll probably use acrylic laquer, in which case you'll need 2 guns, with different size tips and needles, as the flow characteristics of each media is different.

Surprisingly, a good painter can get excellent results from an el-cheapo compressor and guns, so don't spend a fortune like I did 30 years ago before eBay, Bunnings, Aldi, etc. A gravity fed gun works well for tanks etc, usually gravity guns are known as HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) and the beauty of these is that apart from requiring less air pressure (and hence, a smaller compressor) you get much less overspray, and use a lot less material. (paint is expensive)

I paid over 600 bucks for my Iwata finishing gun back in the 1980's, then discovered a "Star" gun (Taiwanese copy of my Iwata) at Total Tools for around 100 bucks, which was just as good. I've got 2 Star guns, one with an acrylic tip, and one with an enamel tip. I bought a cheap HVLP (gravity) gun at my local auto paint shop and it worked great, but the plastic paint cup fell apart and I haven't found a replacement yet, so if you buy one, either buy two cups, or buy one with an aluminium cup.

Teaching yourself to paint is easy, just remember that winter isn't a good time, unless you have a heated booth. If you make your own booth (a garden shed with some form of non explosive spark producing heat will do) make sure it's well ventilated, or you'll fill your lungs full of cancer producing chemicals which will kill you faster than just about anything else. Otherwise, wait until at least September or October before you start, and do it outside.

Most guys set up their compressors with the filter regulator attached to the compressor. That's fine for fence builders etc, but no good for spray painting. You need to position your filter regulator higher than the compressor and at least 3 metres away, so that the moisture in the air coming from the compressor mostly runs back into the compressor, and what doesn't is picked up by the FR and doesn't make it to the paint gun. Water in paint is not a good look.

Read as much as you can about how to paint, setting up your gun for air pressure, fan width, distance from workpiece, preparation of items to be painted, prepwash/tack ragging, primers, spray putty, base coat/clear coat, rubbing back between coats, finish coating, cut and polishing, etc etc. When I bought my outfit, spray painting equipment was really expensive (my first compressor was well over 1000 bucks) but nowadays anyone can afford enough equipment to do a reasonable "factory finish" quality job, for a few hundred bucks. Have fun! Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2013, 05:03:48 AM »
Terry's right milo I would start out cheap if your wanting to learn my son did that and he has gotten very good results he did a lot of research listened to the old timers. He prefers the gravity guns. He started out with harbor freight guns,regardless of what people say about their tools they are pretty decent guns for starting out. The smaller ones (touch up guns) are great for bikes. Filters and regulators are a plus we have two filters and a reg hooked up from the compressor and then he runs a small inline filter and regulator right off the gun. YouTube has some great videos on painting. My son study on the old timers like Ed Roth,George Barris, and Von Dutch. Our compressor blew up and used a cheap harbor freight pancake compressor to finish my chopper and it turned out beautiful. He has gotten two trophies this year for best paint. So sometimes expensive doesn't make a difference. One last thing patience,and prep work is the key to a good paint job.
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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2013, 05:49:07 AM »
Terry and jamesb, those are great tips...................Milo hope you follow them.

I bought a gun kit from Lowes, haven't used it yet, but some members have told me it's a purty good kit.

Has both gravity and suction gun. Even a hose.

Terry, special thanks to you man, I've been leery of painting, you put some of my worries to rest.

Now, Milo, hope you post some pics of your paint project, will do the same with mine when I start.

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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2013, 05:15:00 PM »
It's been about ten years since I got mine, but I did a decent amount of research and ended up getting a DeVilbiss HVLP spray gun.  It was relatively inexpensive (around $100) and I got really good results with it.  I used the same gun for primer, base and clear coat.  My 10 gallon compressor was enough to handle painting a tank and side covers, but anything larger would require a larger compressor. 

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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2013, 07:10:21 PM »
It's been about ten years since I got mine, but I did a decent amount of research and ended up getting a DeVilbiss HVLP spray gun.  It was relatively inexpensive (around $100) and I got really good results with it.  I used the same gun for primer, base and clear coat.  My 10 gallon compressor was enough to handle painting a tank and side covers, but anything larger would require a larger compressor.

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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2013, 08:27:30 PM »
   After a bit of research I had settled on an Asturo WB HVLP mini/detail gun.  Three size tips, pressure regulator, 2 cups, rebuild kit and cleaning kit for about $250 from a large internet dealer.  Then I found the same gun under another name at www.homesteadfinishingproducts.com.  The Qualspray QS125 WB was same price same accessories.  What I liked about this company was the owner gave me his phone number and I could actually talk to a real person and he offered to make changes in the kit to suit my needs.

What I liked about the Asturo/Qualspray gun is that it is very efficient using 3-5 CFM at 30 lbs.  The cheap guns at HF/Lowes/HD etc all seem to be air hogs.  Not a problem if you have a large compressor but I don't.  All stainless internals as it is a popular gun with woodworkers who may also spray water based finish.  I also do woodworking so that is a plus for me.  Large fan size for a mini gun too.

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Re: Spray Guns
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 08:53:26 PM »
Whatever you decide to get, find something to practice on first.  I practiced on my garage fridge.  You have to play around with the settings, spray patterns and pressure until you get it right and get the feel of it.