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Offline Thousandson

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New rectifire/regulator vs old, rewiring correctly.
« on: June 19, 2013, 04:24:42 PM »
So this may not be the best choice but my wallet was much happier. I got a new rectifier/regulator, and the wiring is a little different. What would I do with the extra wires? Do these extra wires get capped off? Should I break down for a new old school rectifier/regulator?

Bike is a 78' CB750F


New(left) Old(right)



New(left) Old(right)
New wires (left to right) White, Red, Black, Old Wires Green, (open slot), Red



Bad connector, I'm getting new connectors.



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Current ride: 78' Cb750F

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Re: New rectifire/regulator vs old, rewiring correctly.
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 05:26:29 PM »
Hi,


the old unit that you are showing in the first pic is just a rectifier without the regulator.
The new unit is a combined rectifier/regulator.


The wires on this new unit mean the following:
Yellow (three wires) - alternator AC output, order of connection to the main wire harness is unimportant
Red - +12V from rectifier to battery
Green -  Ground from rectifier to frame or battery or main wire harness


Black - +12V from ignition, provides power to the regulator
White - +12V regulated to alternator field coil


You'll find the counterparts to the black and white wires on a different connector in your alternator's wire harness.


Here's what I would do:
Identify your old regulator. It has a rectangular metal cap with rounded edges on it. Unscrew it and find that three wires are attached to it's back with individual female flat connectors: Black, white and green :)
Take the black and white pins out of your new unit's connector and connect them to the flat connectors that you have identified in the previous step. Insulate them with shrink tube or crimp insulated flat connectors on them.
Cut the ring and crimp a male flat connector on the green wire of your new unit. Connect it to the green wire that you took off the old unit.
Re-arrange the remaining wires in the new unit's connector so that they match the 6 pin connector in the main harness. The yellow wires all mean the same, so you don't have to care about their order.


In order to get the pins out of the new unit's connector, you could use a tiny flat head screw driver to "unhook" them, or cut a thin piece of sheet metal to make a tool that just fits into the groove that you see in the middle of each slot. Try it on the old rectifier first. You'll see how the pins are hooked into the connector housing.

Judging from your last pic, I guess that you've bought a new unit, because you have charging issues. Did you hook up the battery the wrong way and fried your regulator? Did you test it and found that it's dead?


If this is not the case, your troubles just seem to be caused by a bad/dirty/oxidized +12V pin (red) in your rectifier's connection to the main harness. Your new rectifier will not work better than your old one if you do not clean this pin or change the whole connector. I had the same problem: The connection was bad, resulting in increased resistance which caused a lot of heat melting the connector. The damage looked exactly the same. After cleaning this connector, my charging issues were gone.

I hope my "Denglish" explanation make any sense to you.


Cheers
Carsten

« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 05:32:58 PM by Fritz »
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Re: New rectifire/regulator vs old, rewiring correctly.
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 07:12:07 PM »
Double check me. I'm trying to get the image but i can't. The forth post down has a wiring diagram. The white wire coming from the alternator, is that one supposed to be red?

I can follow a wiring diagram better then written instructions.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50324.0

It has some corrosion, I got this bike non running. I'm going through, making it a cafe racer. This connector looks like it needed to get replaced.
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Re: New rectifire/regulator vs old, rewiring correctly.
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 03:01:34 AM »
Double check me. I'm trying to get the image but i can't. The forth post down has a wiring diagram. The white wire coming from the alternator, is that one supposed to be red?


No, it's supposed to be white :)


The alternator has two electrical parts: The field coil and the stator coils.
The field coil's power is +12V DC provided by the regulator (white and green). It creates the magnetic field for the alternator.
The stator has three yellow wires (three phases AC, 120°) which are connected to the rectifier. The rectifier creates DC which you'd see between red and green.


I believe that the color coding of your new rectifier/regulator unit is correct, but the wires are arranged differently in the connector.
The green wire is a little bit odd, but you can just connect it to any green wire in your harness or to the frame. Without looking at the wire diagram, I guess that you don't need to include it into your re-arranged connector.


White and black connect to the wire harness, where the original regulator connected...

1976 CB550F